It's not the $$$...
#12
02-15-2012, 11:34 PM
Man now I know why I had you blocked. Nothing you say makes sense. You just burp-up/regurgitate what you read/hear/watch! Where is drjesse!!!!
#13
02-16-2012, 05:40 AM
I hate that politics were brought into my thread but;
The ONLY reason "THEY" (read: oil comapnies) say it will be $5.00 next summer is so that no one bithces about the outrageous(sorry Andreas) prices we are paying at the pump right now. The only price increase for oil production has came from artificially manipulated markets. The cost per gallon DOES NOT accurately reflect the price per bbl of oil. So drTom, while they have successfully caused you to worry about the future, they are ripping you off in the present. The POTUS does NOT set the price of oil.
The ONLY reason "THEY" (read: oil comapnies) say it will be $5.00 next summer is so that no one bithces about the outrageous(sorry Andreas) prices we are paying at the pump right now. The only price increase for oil production has came from artificially manipulated markets. The cost per gallon DOES NOT accurately reflect the price per bbl of oil. So drTom, while they have successfully caused you to worry about the future, they are ripping you off in the present. The POTUS does NOT set the price of oil.
#15
02-17-2012, 08:24 PM
The worse thing about our oil, is that we are actually exporting oil and no one seems to care. We are also closing down refineries. Big oil has stated that we are using less..........................................Go figure...
#17
02-17-2012, 11:05 PM
europe,being closer to the spigot, pays more because of socialism.
we are catching up with them. big oil is getting rich,BUT the govt here gets more dollars in tax than big oil does in profits per gallon and the govt does nothing. at least oil co. delivers the goods!!
the pipeline deal would have produced jobs and lower prices,killed by the pres,dont blame big oil for that! oh thats potus
oh,2 $3.19/gal in n. indiana today, blame big oil for that!
we are catching up with them. big oil is getting rich,BUT the govt here gets more dollars in tax than big oil does in profits per gallon and the govt does nothing. at least oil co. delivers the goods!!
the pipeline deal would have produced jobs and lower prices,killed by the pres,dont blame big oil for that! oh thats potus
oh,2 $3.19/gal in n. indiana today, blame big oil for that!
Last edited by drtom; 02-17-2012 at 11:10 PM.
#18
02-18-2012, 09:27 AM
Listen, europe may be closer to the spigot but most countries there do not engage in large scale oil exploration and production. I would be willing to bet in Andreas case, Sweden doesn't have a refinery. If they do, its not enough to keep up with their own demand. In addition, small European countries do not have the buying power of the United States. Just like Wal-Mart buys things cheaper because of the large quantities.
The pipeline would have created a few hundred jobs. There is a mountain of evidence that illustrates the actual costs ( not theoretical but actual $$$) associated pipeline, environmental etc., would far outweigh the benefits of the few jobs. I can supply you with factual links if you care to educate yourself.
As far as the gov't making more money than the oil companies, well where to start? The data you have been supplied is talking specifically the money made at the pump, which is the last rung in the profit ladder for oil companies. Taxes at the pump? You do like roads correct? The pump is the last and lowest rung on the profit ladder for oil companies. Costs to produce and refine crude run from $5/bbl to $35/bbl depending on the final product. Focusing on profits margins at the pump allws the oil companies to mislead the public as to where they make their money. Exxon explores and exracts. The sold to refineries, some exxon owned, some aren't. It is then sold to distributors,again some Exxon some aren't. Then to the gas station, some Exxon some aren't. There are profits at every step of this process. To view the ghas pump as the only profit center for oil demonstrates a lack of understanding of the processes of oil production. As far as the Gov't collecting taxes at the pump, think of it as tax money recovery from the excessive breaks the companies get.
Most of the chain emails you older guys pass around are simply the modern propaganda pamphlets from the old days. There are many people out there trying to misdlead you and preying on your trust.
Critical thinking will open a whole new world to you drTom, its never too late to start.
The pipeline would have created a few hundred jobs. There is a mountain of evidence that illustrates the actual costs ( not theoretical but actual $$$) associated pipeline, environmental etc., would far outweigh the benefits of the few jobs. I can supply you with factual links if you care to educate yourself.
As far as the gov't making more money than the oil companies, well where to start? The data you have been supplied is talking specifically the money made at the pump, which is the last rung in the profit ladder for oil companies. Taxes at the pump? You do like roads correct? The pump is the last and lowest rung on the profit ladder for oil companies. Costs to produce and refine crude run from $5/bbl to $35/bbl depending on the final product. Focusing on profits margins at the pump allws the oil companies to mislead the public as to where they make their money. Exxon explores and exracts. The sold to refineries, some exxon owned, some aren't. It is then sold to distributors,again some Exxon some aren't. Then to the gas station, some Exxon some aren't. There are profits at every step of this process. To view the ghas pump as the only profit center for oil demonstrates a lack of understanding of the processes of oil production. As far as the Gov't collecting taxes at the pump, think of it as tax money recovery from the excessive breaks the companies get.
Most of the chain emails you older guys pass around are simply the modern propaganda pamphlets from the old days. There are many people out there trying to misdlead you and preying on your trust.
Critical thinking will open a whole new world to you drTom, its never too late to start.
#19
02-18-2012, 11:10 AM
There are some 20,090 miles of hazardous liquid and natural gas pipelines (includes interstate, intrastate, and distribution lines) in Nebraska. Pipelines in Nebraska may include large-diameter lines carrying energy products to population centers, as well as small-diameter lines that may deliver natural gas to businesses and households in your neighborhood. The energy products carried in pipelines fuel our lives and our livelihoods. They heat our homes and schools, power our industrial base and enable our daily commutes.
its all positive,jobs,gas,taxes,safe
then this,66%??
Netherlands
The sale of fuels in the Netherlands is levied with an excise tax. The 2007 fuel tax was € 0.684 per litre or $ 3.5 per gallon. On top of that is 19% VAT over the entire fuel price, making the Dutch taxes one of the highest in the world. In total, taxes account for 68,84% of the total price of petrol and 56,55% of the total price of diesel.[3] A 1995 excise was raised by Dutch gulden 25 cents (€0.11), the Kok Quarter (€0.08 raise per litre gasoline and €0.03 raise per litre diesel), by then Prime-Minister Wim Kok is now specifically set aside by the second Balkenende cabinet for use in road creation and road and public transport maintenance.
[edit] Norway
Motor fuel is taxed with both a road use tax and a CO2-tax. The road use tax on petrol is NOK 4.62 per litre and the CO2-tax on petrol is NOK 0.88 per litre. The road use tax on auto diesel is NOK 3.62 per litre mineral oil and NOK 1.81 per litre bio diesel. The CO2-tax on mineral oil is NOK 0.59 per litre.[4]
so their taxes are 2-3 times ours, so far. we are catching up
missed this
Fuel taxes in Germany are €0.4704 per litre for ultra-low sulphur Diesel and €0.6545 per litre for conventional unleaded petrol, plus Value Added Tax (19%) on the fuel itself and the Fuel Tax. That adds up to prices of €1.42 per litre for ultra-low sulphur Diesel and €1.55 per litre (approximately USD 8.10 per US gallon) for unleaded petrol (November 2011).
high taxes are a function of socialism
Last edited by drtom; 02-18-2012 at 11:44 AM.
#20
02-18-2012, 07:09 PM
How can you be critical of a countries tax structure when you have no idea of their societal needs are? Is it socialism to fix bridges in our country that are in dire need? Generally speaking, you have to raise capital in some fashion to fund infrastructure projects. Is the Autobahn, the most technologically advanced road in the world a product of socialism? The dutch have set aside their high taxes for road creation. Do you know their other sources of road funding? If not, the numbers sighted have no context.
Capital collected to reinvest in the infrastructure and needs of the society as a whole is not socialism. I know it's the buzz word these days but they really should have passed out the definition for you folks as well.
This was my favorite part of your post, the irony of you touting taxes as a benefit in a post about you alledging taxes are a sign of socialism. Excellent strategery.
The Keystone XL tar sands pipeline would not make the United States of America safer. Why? It would not make us safer, because the majority of the processed oil was already scheduled for export to foreign countries. That's' right, this Keystone XL pipeline's Canadian tar sands oil would have no positive impact whatsoever on America's national security.
Canada wanted to send the dirtiest oil on the planet through the heart of America so that they could access export routes. And they proposed getting there by bringing the pipeline right over the Ogallala Aquifer, one of America's most important repositories of fresh water. Along the route, Democrats and Republicans alike opposed it.
Nocera never mentioned that a first pipeline just like the proposed Keystone XL, built by the same foreign company, TransCanada, had over 12 spills in the U.S. (30 if you count Canada) in just its first year of operation. Some of those spills have yet to be cleaned up.
In fact, when it comes to jobs and the Keystone XL pipeline, the State Department estimated it would create only 20 permanent jobs and about 5-6,000 temporary construction jobs... not the hundred thousand jobs proponents of the tar sands pipeline have been citing.
Canada wanted to send the dirtiest oil on the planet through the heart of America so that they could access export routes. And they proposed getting there by bringing the pipeline right over the Ogallala Aquifer, one of America's most important repositories of fresh water. Along the route, Democrats and Republicans alike opposed it.
Nocera never mentioned that a first pipeline just like the proposed Keystone XL, built by the same foreign company, TransCanada, had over 12 spills in the U.S. (30 if you count Canada) in just its first year of operation. Some of those spills have yet to be cleaned up.
In fact, when it comes to jobs and the Keystone XL pipeline, the State Department estimated it would create only 20 permanent jobs and about 5-6,000 temporary construction jobs... not the hundred thousand jobs proponents of the tar sands pipeline have been citing.
20000 construction jobs, 6 billion in prop/land use taxes forever
Last edited by Widespread Hummer; 02-18-2012 at 07:19 PM.