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And maybe here?
Seems pretty extremist to me, but then again I never bought into the whole slashdot/digg/b/reddit internet subculture that has twisted in on itself through this psuedo intellectualism that really just boils down to red vs blue where no one understands the others position because they are to busy bitching about various stereotypical rhetoric like the statements you made to see the forest for the trees. Yea, my team, boo yours.

Fuel prices right now are almost entirely controlled by futures traders. They have been trying to push gasoline to 5 bucks a gallon for just over 10 years now. Initially it was just a push that didn't work, then they tried controlling oil production through the FUD of Iraq and oil spiked to almost 150 a barrel. Gasoline only made it into the 4 dollar a gallon mark in 2008. Then we were well over 140 a barrel for oil, now we are under 90 and still headed in the same direction price wise. I would love to see us drill more but the industry says refineries would do more to bring down prices right now as well as allowing crude from south America to be imported to the us.

 

You're actually right, there is no rush, but in this country when there's no urgency there's no action either. There would probably be no proactivity toward alternate energy sources until we start depleting them, or we have more environmental disasters like the gulf spill. Why do today what you can put off until tomorrow.

BTW, who's judging your Christianity? If you feel judged it sounds like a personal issue between you and God. Not a single finger was pointed at you. Politics has nothing to do with it. No, nobody is perfect, and church and state should be separated. However, political philosophies should be based on spiritual foundations...not the other way around. Both conservatives and liberals have a problem with that.

 

Pauldy, neither of those statements is extremist. One is speaking of the lack of credibility that Sarah Palin has, and responded to someone sayin that she was feared. All I said basically is that nobody fears Palin. She gets more ridicule than fear. That was clearly extremist, wow.

The other simply noted that the conservative political philosophy conflicts with the Christian philosophy. Actually, the same argument can be made of liberals, but in the other direction...wanting to do too much to assist people and takes away their will or ability to help themselves in the process.

I think that anything anyone says contrary to conservative beliefs is considered extreme. If you disagree, then you're extremist. Thus, I said there's never any middle ground. People should actually read and understand rather than "read into" and get offended, or take things as a personal afront. NONE OF WHAT I SAID WAS EXTREME. It simply disagreed with you.

 

I found this part pretty insulting myself. I mean I disagreed with almost everything you said but figured you had a right to your opinion. This statement stepped over the line and lost all credibility for you.

 

This is the problem with America right here, we have a little disagreement over politics and it turns into personal attacks instead of giving solutions to our problems. Im sorry to offend anyone but President Obama is a moron when it comes to war, the economy and well pretty much everything else. There is no reason that we should not be looking into other forms of energy and implementing them into our lives but there is also no reason we shouldn't be drilling more and building more refineries. There is enough oil in Utah that would supply our oil demands for a 100 years throug Oil shells and different things like that but the good ol president keeps putting the Kabosh on that. He has stopped off-shore drilling and everything else that needs to continue to happen. God didn't put all those resources on this earth for us not to utilize them so why the heck are we not doing it.
SemperSaint you are entitled to your opinion by all means but to be attackful to others and their religions thats pathetic. Christians are liberals, realists, conservatives and every other political party you can think of so dont stereo type and be attackful. Act your age and have a debate not attack others. And to also say that people are racist against obama and all this other crap is just a joke people were racist against George Bush and every other white President out there as well. Thats just the way the world is some people are inmature, racist, judge others and every other thing you can say about mankind. Its called Life.

 

spusoccer, OK, perhaps the Conservative Christian remark was a bit mean spirited, but at the same time, if it doesn't fit you why get your panties in a wad? I too am a Christian, and I guess I didn't exemplify that in that statement.I never once said we should stop drilling..not once, so there's not even a point there.

Secondly, in one sentence you say that racism against the president is a joke, then in the very next line you say some people are racist and that's just life. So, which is it you're trying to say?

At least I acknowledge the fact that there has been racism against the president. I never said it was eveybody, but SOME. To act as if it doesn't exist is shameful, and arrogant. I also like the way you tell me not to be "attackful" while you call the president a moron, then attack me and tell me to act my age. You're pretty funny.

As for president Bush, I thought, no think he's genuinely a good man who loves his country. I found myself defending him on many occasions when people would talk bad about him. He deserved respect first as a man, then as POTUS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU AGREED WITH HIM. He was elected by my fellow Americans who voted for him, and I respect that. I guess that's more than I can expect from most people.

 

@SemperSaint I can only imagine racism helped Obama more than it ever hurt him. I know a few conservative black people who voted for Obama. When I asked one why I about fell over, he said "I wanted my grandmother to see a black president". He was at least honest with me I've had the conversation before with people that are more cagey about it but as you break down their weak justifications for most of them it came down to issues surrounding blacks and their families and how they believed this man would be more prone to understand their situation than the white guy. It's not very logical to think a man who made 600k in the year prior to his run for presidency and raised by his white grandparents understands the average black person it's purely a race based conclusion.

You might not recognize the views you exposed towards conservatives and Christians as extremist but they are. Also, the rhetoric towards Palin is just that. There is little justification for the attacks against her other than she is in fact a threat to the entire political spectrum because she speaks to the people and doesn't know enough about the established rules by the elite in Washington to play by them. Her common sense approach to situations mirrors Regan's approach to politics and both party leaders totally understand this as a threat to their agendas.

 

Pauldy,,im relieved to hear reasonable voices like yours with the depth of understanding of the current "situation".
yeah if Sarah was not a threat,shed be ignored!! besides,being practicle,its nice to see that most conservative women are just plain better lookin than the libs gals. more pleasant to see than helen thomas!,the human side!
now, what "he" said;
"conservative political philosophy conflicts with the Christian philosophy."
i dont think so. we want better lives for people in freedom.

"church and state should be separated"
no it shouldnt, we got along just fine when sunday services were held in the capitol and in the supreme court house with the marine band playing,AND congress spending $ to buy Bibles for schools to teach reading. the country was 98% CHRISTIAN and others were welcome and protected. it is said that Jews prosper in USA, not in spite of Christians, but because of them. Jews were 2 %,,,AND safe.

on the gulf oil spill, it was a problem that got cleaned up in spite of b o dragging his feet. i think he welcomed it to help his "no oil" agenda. meantime hes helping brazill drill and store oil in the gulf.

then he said,,"NONE OF WHAT I SAID WAS EXTREME.!",no,,its the way u say it!

lastly,libs do contribute to charity. i heard the figures and calculated that together obama and biden gave 4 times what i donated last year. oops,also, their combined income was $1,487,600 more than mine. ill try to do better.

finally,bo said,on abortion,"if my daughter made a mistake,i wouldnt want her punished,"with a baby" we can only presume he would have his first born,not born but butchered. and that quote was his words, ive heard them and it makes me puke.

none of my feeling on this man relates whatever to color. im ready to support ANY conservative ,any color,to kick him out.

 

It really doesnt matter what race, gender, sexual orientaion or anything of the such is there is always going to be people out there that discriminate and are racist and everything else. It doesnt matter who is president their will be that going on. I completely disagree with 99.99999% that our current President does and that is my opinion and like everyone else I am entitled to it. I do feel that this president is an idiot. My opinion attackful towards him fine take it that way attackful to everyone else not in the slightest unlike the way you have been on the topic. With everything going on in the world today it would be nice to see the president focus on out own country and its well being then sitting and apologizing to every other country in this world for our so called "ignorance" and dont get me wrong I 100% thank you for your service to this country it is greatly appreciated by all of us. But don't group people in a category based on religion and their beliefs people are people and we are all going to disagree so be respectful of opinion and well for the best words I can use show some tact when you dis agree with others.