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Old Apr 19, 2024 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by hummerz
According to the test I searched after removal of that jap plug around 5% DIRTY oil still left inside the pan.

You test it.. after drain with the jap plug, remove and drain separate, then post the results.
So, funny thing. I was changing my oil today (using my Fumoto valve), and decided to take you up on your challenge. So first I drained my oil using the valve:


I then removed the Fumoto valve and caught the additional oil that drained out into a graduated container. I used a flexible Pig Funnel so as not to lose any of it, and let it drain for another 5 minutes till nothing further was coming out:


Here are the results:

If you look closely, that oil level is at exactly 50cc, which is 1.69oz. So less than 1% of the oil was left in the oil pan after draining using the Fumoto valve. That's a far cry from your claim that using the Fumoto would leave 5% (9.6oz) of the dirty oil still in the bottom of the oil pan. Not that I enjoy proving you wrong, since you have a massive amount of knowledge about these vehicles, but you really should learn to not be quite so arrogant. It's not very pretty.

Actually, I lied...I do enjoy proving you wrong.
 
Old Apr 19, 2024 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 650Hawk
So, funny thing. I was changing my oil today (using my Fumoto valve), and decided to take you up on your challenge. So first I drained my oil using the valve:


I then removed the Fumoto valve and caught the additional oil that drained out into a graduated container. I used a flexible Pig Funnel so as not to lose any of it, and let it drain for another 5 minutes till nothing further was coming out:


Here are the results:

If you look closely, that oil level is at exactly 50cc, which is 1.69oz. So less than 1% of the oil was left in the oil pan after draining using the Fumoto valve. That's a far cry from your claim that using the Fumoto would leave 5% (9.6oz) of the dirty oil still in the bottom of the oil pan. Not that I enjoy proving you wrong, since you have a massive amount of knowledge about these vehicles, but you really should learn to not be quite so arrogant. It's not very pretty.

Actually, I lied...I do enjoy proving you wrong.
"around 5%">+/- depends on capacity & level-grade when changing oil.
 
Old Apr 20, 2024 | 09:15 AM
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To help get part of that last 1-5% out, I jack up the vehicle so that the drain is pointed down.
 
Old Apr 20, 2024 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Justinh
To help get part of that last 1-5% out, I jack up the vehicle so that the drain is pointed down.
Well done Justinh
 
Old Apr 21, 2024 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by hummerz
"around 5%">+/- depends on capacity & level-grade when changing oil.
Seriously? Less than 1% (0.88% to be exact) is NOT "around 5%", nor is it "around 5%>+/-". Adding a +/- doesn't typically refer to an 80% variation ; by no one's definition is 1.69oz "around" 9.6oz. Why is it so difficult to simply respond that you stand corrected?
 

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Old Apr 21, 2024 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 650Hawk
Seriously? Less than 1% (0.88% to be exact) is NOT "around 5%", nor is it "around 5%>+/-". Adding a +/- doesn't typically refer to an 80% variation ; by no one's definition is 1.69oz "around" 9.6oz. Why is it so difficult to simply respond that you stand corrected?
Regardless of your measurement results, that jap plug still left dirty oil in the pan! Proper engine oil change requires removing ALL old oil and replace with new! Any amount of OLD oil left behind will contaminate the new oil immediately! Simple math:-6qts+6qts=100% new oil change!
 
Old Apr 22, 2024 | 04:09 PM
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Best practice is to do your own oil changes...

When the stealership or many shops do it for you its a "quicky lube" and some old oil is left behind.
 
Old Apr 23, 2024 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by hummerz
Regardless of your measurement results, that jap plug still left dirty oil in the pan! Proper engine oil change requires removing ALL old oil and replace with new! Any amount of OLD oil left behind will contaminate the new oil immediately! Simple math:-6qts+6qts=100% new oil change!
By your own comment above any oil change on even on a brand new engine (assembly lube) will be immediately contaminated. The residual oil left during ANY oil change say in the lifter valley, on any of the internal rotating mass, oil passages, etc. would "contaminate" the newly introduced oil.

 
Old Apr 23, 2024 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by hummerz
Any amount of OLD oil left behind will contaminate the new oil immediately!
So you admit that you contaminate your new oil on every oil change (as do we all). Got it.

Still just amazing that you cannot admit that your claim of 5% was wrong.
 

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Old Apr 23, 2024 | 01:22 PM
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