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Old 07-08-2023, 12:36 PM
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Hi - hopefully someone can help or point me in the right direction. As you can probably guess, no brakes unless I really stand on them, and all the usual suspects of ABS, Stability System, and Traction Control lights are alarming on the dash..

I went to my local shop and they said ABS pump. They can't get one but can have mine sent out and rebuilt for about $ 3,000. Ouch. They banged on it with a hammer and it temporarily came back to life. I have done this a few times myself, and also banged on the accumulator to get it back to life during this investigation process.

I visited GMC. They said it could be the pump/brake assembly (includes accumulator), which they can get new for $ 1,500. They thought it could be the accumulator possibly, but they can't get that part alone (but said if I could find it, they would install for me)

So I started hunting. No H3 new accumulators anywhere, but I did find a new H2. The parts guy told me it should work. So I got it and spun it on. Same issue. So banging on the accumulator isn't really the issue - as the vibration must be traveling to the ABS pump and then it works for a short while. Do I have to bleed the brakes after spinning on the accumulator? YouTube seemed to say no, but I really don't know.

Any other ideas or suggestions as to where to find parts? I see the pump/brake assembly used for $ 500 but that seems risky. I'm pretty handy, but I don't know if I can change a master cylinder assembly myself. Does it simply bolt onto the firewall and then you just connect a few brake lines? But then I'm sure I have to bleed them and my garage is not equipped for that. Thanks in advance for any guidance!
 
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Old 07-08-2023, 12:40 PM
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Hi - hopefully someone can help or point me in the right direction. As you can probably guess, no brakes unless I really stand on them, and all the usual suspects of ABS, Stability System, and Traction Control lights are alarming on the dash..

I went to my local shop and they said ABS pump. They can't get one but can have mine sent out and rebuilt for about $ 3,000. Ouch. They banged on it with a hammer and it temporarily came back to life. I have done this a few times myself, and also banged on the accumulator to get it back to life during this investigation process.

I visited GMC. They said it could be the pump/brake assembly (includes accumulator), which they can get new for $ 1,500. They thought it could be the accumulator possibly, but they can't get that part alone (but said if I could find it, they would install for me)

So I started hunting. No H3 new accumulators anywhere, but I did find a new H2. The parts guy told me it should work. So I got it and spun it on. Same issue. So banging on the accumulator isn't really the issue - as the vibration must be traveling to the ABS pump and then it works for a short while. Do I have to bleed the brakes after spinning on the accumulator? YouTube seemed to say no, but I really don't know.

Any other ideas or suggestions as to where to find parts? I see the pump/brake assembly used for $ 500 but that seems risky. I'm pretty handy, but I don't know if I can change a master cylinder assembly myself. Does it simply bolt onto the firewall and then you just connect a few brake lines? But then I'm sure I have to bleed them and my garage is not equipped for that. Thanks in advance for any guidance!

 
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Old 07-14-2023, 12:28 PM
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Default 2009 H3 - 108,000 miles

Hi - hopefully someone can help or point me in the right direction. As you can probably guess, no brakes unless I really stand on them, and all the usual suspects of ABS, Stability System, and Traction Control lights are alarming on the dash..

I went to my local shop and they said ABS pump. They can't get one but can have mine sent out and rebuilt for about $ 3,000. Ouch. They banged on it with a hammer and it temporarily came back to life. I have done this a few times myself, and also banged on the accumulator to get it back to life during this investigation process.

I visited GMC. They said it could be the pump/brake assembly (includes accumulator), which they can get new for $ 1,500. They thought it could be the accumulator possibly, but they can't get that part alone (but said if I could find it, they would install for me)

So I started hunting. No H3 new accumulators anywhere, but I did find a new H2. The parts guy told me it should work. So I got it and spun it on. Same issue. So banging on the accumulator isn't really the issue - as the vibration must be traveling to the ABS pump and then it works for a short while. Do I have to bleed the brakes after spinning on the accumulator? YouTube seemed to say no, but I really don't know.

Any other ideas or suggestions as to where to find parts? I see the pump/brake assembly used for $ 500 but that seems risky. I'm pretty handy, but I don't know if I can change a master cylinder assembly myself. Does it simply bolt onto the firewall and then you just connect a few brake lines? But then I'm sure I have to bleed them and my garage is not equipped for that. Thanks in advance for any guidance!
 
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Old 07-14-2023, 02:24 PM
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You only need one thread for the same topic, stick to that.

My first suggestion is find another local repair shop that knows what they are doing. Scan and post any codes, I would expect an ABS code of some kind stored in there somewhere.

Next, you may have to have to scrounge your parts used/pre-owned from ebay, car-part.com, local pick n pulls etc. Before you go looking for parts you have to know what is wrong to look for the replacement.
 
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Old 07-14-2023, 02:32 PM
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Thanks Doc. I did try the single thread (and I knew someone was going to ding me on that) - but no one replied so I assumed it was lost too low in the queue. I have an appt for another diagnosis. I'm sure the first place pulled the codes. Basically, it would seem this is is a pricey process unless the consumer can fix it on their own, but I'll see what shop #3 says.
 
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Old 07-14-2023, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by sfradkin1
Thanks Doc. I did try the single thread (and I knew someone was going to ding me on that) - but no one replied so I assumed it was lost too low in the queue. I have an appt for another diagnosis. I'm sure the first place pulled the codes. Basically, it would seem this is is a pricey process unless the consumer can fix it on their own, but I'll see what shop #3 says.

WTF?shop#3?

In general, a diagnostic fee will cost around $100 x3?
YOU CAN GET A SCANNER WITH ABS for less than $50.

Post the code(s) & save$$$$

 
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Old 07-14-2023, 08:37 PM
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Lol! I'm completely lost. If I read you correctly:
Shop #1 will have it rebuilt
Shop #2 Hay will F'n guess lol
Shop #3 Says hey another cars chit will work....haha

How about we start with the beginning of this story. Codes and some history!
Because there is NO way in h@ll your gonna fix a car by just guessing. Well OK maybe if your really good or lucky ...
 
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Old 07-15-2023, 12:25 PM
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OK - thanks. Clearly I've over-complicated. Let's start again.
History - all was fine until Stab System, Brakes, and ABS lights appeared. Hydraulic braking is gone. Sometimes I can bring it back temporarily using the hammer method.

Shop 1 diagnosed. I assume scanned. Says ABS pump parts unavailable so remove/rebuild for $ 3000. (that's a third of the car's value) That sounded suspicious, so...
I went to GMC dealer to talk and confirm parts are unavailable. They didn't do any work - just said that they CAN get a complete assembly new for $ 1,600.
Then a corvette friend referred me to a shop that specializes in classics and hard to find parts - appt on Tuesday.

So really just 1 shop looked and I assume pulled codes. I went to Advance Auto today to scan and they say there are no codes logged. (but they didn't seem on top of their game so I will find another store tomorrow or purchase a scanner). I hope this is something simple (like a vacuum issue), but I expect it won't be. If I have to cough up $$, I just want to be somewhat comfortable that it's legit - if I can't resolve it myself. Thanks again for any guidance. Hope this is clearer.
 
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Old 07-15-2023, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sfradkin1
So really just 1 shop looked and I assume pulled codes. I went to Advance Auto today to scan and they say there are no codes logged. (but they didn't seem on top of their game so I will find another store tomorrow or purchase a scanner). I hope this is something simple (like a vacuum issue), but I expect it won't be. If I have to cough up $$, I just want to be somewhat comfortable that it's legit - if I can't resolve it myself. Thanks again for any guidance. Hope this is clearer.
Auto parts stores, FREE scans does NOT included chassis codes. Get a scanner!
  • C0000 - Vehicle Speed Information Circuit Malfunction
  • C0035 - Left Front Wheel Speed Circuit Malfunction
  • C0040 - Right Front Wheel Speed Circuit Malfunction
  • C0045 - Left Rear Wheel Speed Circuit Malfunction
  • C0050 - Right Rear Wheel Speed Circuit Malfunction
  • C0060 - Left Front ABS Solenoid #1 Circuit Malfunction
  • C0065 - Left Front ABS Solenoid #2 Circuit Malfunction
  • C0070 - Right Front ABS Solenoid #1 Circuit Malfunction
  • C0075 - Right Front ABS Solenoid #2 Circuit Malfunction
  • C0080 - Left Rear ABS Solenoid #1 Circuit Malfunction
  • C0085 - Left Rear ABS Solenoid #2 Circuit Malfunction
  • C0090 - Right Rear ABS Solenoid #1 Circuit Malfunction
  • C0095 - Right Rear ABS Solenoid #2 Circuit Malfunction
  • C0110 - Pump Motor Circuit Malfunction
  • C0121 - Valve Relay Circuit Malfunction
  • C0128 - Low Brake Fluid Circuit Low
  • C0141 - Left TCS Solenoid #1 Circuit Malfunction
  • C0146 - Left TCS Solenoid #2 Circuit Malfunction
  • C0151 - Right TCS Solenoid #1 Circuit Malfunction
  • C0156 - Right TCS Solenoid #2 Circuit Malfunction
  • C0161 - ABS/TCS Brake Switch Circuit Malfunction
  • C0221 - Right Front Wheel Speed Sensor Circuit Open
  • C0222 - Right Front Wheel Speed Signal Missing
  • C0223 - Right Front Wheel Speed Signal Erratic
  • C0225 - Left Front Wheel Speed Sensor Circuit Open
  • C0226 - Left Front Wheel Speed Signal Missing
  • C0227 - Left Front Wheel Speed Signal Erratic
  • C0229 - Drop Out of Front Wheel Speed Signals
  • C0235 - Rear Wheel Speed Signal Circuit Open
  • C0236 - Rear Wheel Speed Signal Circuit Missing
  • C0237 - Rear Wheel Speed Signal Erratic
  • C0238 - Wheel Speed Mismatch
  • C0241 - EBCM Control Valve Circuit
  • C0245 - Wheel Speed Sensor Frequency Error
  • C0254 - EBCM Control Valve Circuit
  • C0265 - EBCM Relay Circuit
  • C0266 - EBCM Relay Circuit
  • C0267 - Pump Motor Circuit Open/Shorted
  • C0268 - Pump Motor Circuit Open/Shorted
  • C0269 - Excessive Dump/Isolation Time
  • C0271 - EBCM Malfunction
  • C0272 - EBCM Malfunction
  • C0273 - EBCM Malfunction
  • C0274 - Excessive Dump/Isolation Time
  • C0279 - Powertrain Configuration Not Valid
  • C0281 - Brake Switch Circuit
  • C0283 - Traction Switch Shorted to Ground
  • C0284 - EBCM Malfunction
  • C0286 - ABS Indicator Lamp Circuit Shorted to B+
  • C0287 - Delivered Torque Circuit
  • C0288 - Brake Warning Lamp Circuit Shorted to B+
  • C0290 - Lost Communications With PCM
  • C0292 - Lost Communications With PCM
  • C0291 - Lost Communications With BCM
  • C0297 - Powertrain Configuration Data Not Received
  • C0298 - Powertrain Indicated Traction Control Malfunction
  • C0300 - Rear Speed Sensor Malfunction
  • C0305 - Front Speed Sensor Malfunction
  • C0306 - Motor A or B Circuit
  • C0308 - Motor A/B Circuit Low
  • C0309 - Motor A/B Circuit High
  • C0310 - Motor A/B Circuit Open
  • C0315 - Motor Ground Circuit Open
  • C0321 - Transfer Case Lock Circuit
  • C0323 - T-Case Lock Circuit Low
  • C0324 - T-Case Lock Circuit High
  • C0327 - Encoder Circuit Malfunction
  • C0357 - Park Switch Circuit High
  • C0359 - Four Wheel Drive Low Range (4LO) Discrete Output Circuit
  • C0362 - 4LO Discrete Output Circuit High
  • C0367 - Front Axle Control Circuit High
  • C0374 - General System Malfunction
  • C0376 - Front/Rear Shaft Speed Mismatch
  • C0379 - Front Axle System
  • C0387 - Unable to Perform Shift
  • C0472 - Steering Handwheel Speed Sensor Signal V Low
  • C0473 - Steering Handwheel Speed Sensor Signal V High
  • C0495 - EVO Tracking Error
  • C0498 - Steering Assist Control Actuator Feed Circuit Low
  • C0499 - Steering Assist Control Solenoid Feed Circuit High
  • C0503 - Steering Assist Control Solenoid Return Circuit Low
  • C0504 - Steering Assist Control Solenoid Return Circuit High
  • C0550 - ECU Malfunction - internal write / checksum malfunction
  • C0559 - EEPROM Checksum Error
  • C0563 - Calibration ROM Checksum Error
  • C0577 - Left Front Solenoid Circuit Low
  • C0578 - Left Front Solenoid Circuit High
  • C0579 - Left Front Solenoid Circuit Open
  • C0582 - Right Front Solenoid Circuit Low
  • C0583 - Right Front Solenoid Circuit High
  • C0584 - Right Front Solenoid Circuit Open
  • C0587 - Left Rear Solenoid Circuit Low
  • C0588 - Left Rear Solenoid Circuit High
  • C0589 - Left Rear Solenoid Circuit Open
  • C0592 - Right Rear Solenoid Circuit Low
  • C0593 - Right Rear Solenoid Circuit High
  • C0594 - Right Rear Solenoid Circuit Open
  • C0611 - VIN Information Error
  • C0615 - Left Front Position Sensor Malfunction
  • C0620 - Right Front Position Sensor Malfunction
  • C0625 - Left Rear Position Sensor Malfunction
  • C0628 - Level Control Position Sensor Circuit High
  • C0630 - Right Rear Position Sensor Malfunction
  • C0635 - Left Front Normal Force Circuit Malfunction
  • C0638 - Left Front Normal Force Circuit High
  • C0640 - Right Front Normal Force Circuit Malfunction
  • C0643 - Right Front Normal Force Circuit High
  • C0655 - Level Control Compressor Relay Malfunction
  • C0657 - Level Control Compressor Circuit Low
  • C0658 - Level Control Compressor Circuit High
  • C0660 - Level Control Exhaust Valve Circuit Malfunction
  • C0662 - Level Control Exhaust Valve Circuit Low
  • C0663 - Level Control Exhaust Valve Circuit High
  • C0665 - Chassis Pitch Signal Circuit
  • C0690 - Damper Control Relay Circuit Malfunction
  • C0691 - Damper Control Relay Circuit Range
  • C0693 - Damper Control Relay Circuit High
  • C0695 - Position Sensor Overcurrent (8 volt supply)
  • C0696 - Position Sensor Overcurrent (5 volt supply)
  • C0710 - Steering Position Signal Malfunction
  • C0750 - Tire Pressure Monitor (TPM) system sensor not transmitting
  • C0755 - Tire Pressure Monitor (TPM) system sensor not transmitting
  • C0760 - Tire Pressure Monitor (TPM) system sensor not transmitting
  • C0765 - Tire Pressure Monitor (TPM) system sensor not transmitting
  • C0800 - Device Power #1 Circuit Malfunction
  • C0896 - Electronic Suspension Control (ESC) voltage is outside the normal range of 9 to 15.5 volts
  • C1211 - ABS Indicator Lamp Circuit Malfunction
  • C1214 - System Relay Contact or Coil Circuit Open
  • C1217 - Pump Motor Shorted to Ground
  • C1218 - Pump Motor Circuit Shorted to Voltage or Motor Ground Open
  • C1221 - Left Front Wheel Speed Sensor Input Signal is 0
  • C1222 - Right Front Wheel Speed Sensor Input Signal is 0
  • C1223 - Left Rear Wheel Speed Sensor Input Signal is 0
  • C1224 - Right Rear Wheel Speed Sensor Input Signal is 0
  • C1225 - Left Front Excessive Wheel Speed Variation
  • C1226 - Right Front Excessive Wheel Speed Variation
  • C1227 - Left Rear Excessive Wheel Speed Variation
  • C1228 - Right Rear Excessive Wheel Speed Variation
  • C1232 - Left Front Wheel Speed Circuit Open or Shorted
  • C1233 - Right Front Wheel Speed Circuit Open or Shorted
  • C1234 - Left Rear Wheel Speed Circuit Open or Shorted
  • C1235 - Right Rear Wheel Speed Circuit Open or Shorted
  • C1236 - Low System Supply Voltage
  • C1237 - High System Supply Voltage
  • C1238 - Brake Thermal Model Exceeded
  • C1241 - Variable Effort Steering Circuit Malfunction
  • C1242 - Pump Motor Circuit Open
  • C1243 - BPMV Pump Motor Stalled
  • C1244 - Powertrain Indicated Engine Drag Control Malfunction
  • C1246 - Brake Lining Wear Circuit Open
  • C1248 - EBCM Turned the Red Brake Warning Indicator On
  • C1251 - RSS Indicated Malfunction
  • C1252 - Left Front Normal Force Malfunction
  • C1253 - Right Front Normal Force Malfunction
  • C1254 - Abnormal Shutdown Detected
  • C1255 - EBCM Internal Malfunction
  • C1256 - EBCM Internal Malfunction
  • C1261 - Left Front Inlet Valve Solenoid Malfunction
  • C1262 - Left Front Outlet Valve Solenoid Malfunction
  • C1263 - Right Front Inlet Valve Solenoid Malfunction
  • C1264 - Right Front Outlet Valve Solenoid Malfunction
  • C1265 - Left Rear Inlet Valve Solenoid Malfunction
  • C1266 - Left Rear Outlet Valve Solenoid Malfunction
  • C1267 - Right Rear Inlet Valve Solenoid Malfunction
  • C1268 - Right Rear Outlet Valve Solenoid Malfunction
  • C1271 - Left Front TCS Master Cylinder Isolation Valve Malfunction
  • C1272 - Left Front TCS Prime Valve Malfunction
  • C1273 - Right Front TCS Master Cylinder Isolation Valve Malfunction
  • C1274 - Right Front TCS Prime Valve Malfunction
  • C1276 - Delivered Torque Signal Circuit Malfunction
  • C1277 - Requested Torque Signal Circuit Malfunction
  • C1278 - TCS Temporarily Inhibited By PCM
  • C1281 - VSES Sensors Uncorrelated
  • C1282 - Yaw Rate Sensor Bias Circuit Malfunction
  • C1283 - Excessive Time to Center Steering
  • C1284 - Lateral Accelerometer Sensor Bias Malfunction
  • C1285 - Lateral Accelerometer Sensor Circuit Malfunction
  • C1286 - Steering Sensor Bias Malfunction
  • C1287 - Steering Sensor Rate Malfunction
  • C1288 - Steering Sensor Circuit Malfunction
  • C1291 - Open Brake Lamp Switch Contacts During Deceleration
  • C1292 - Brake Fluid Pressure Sensor Circuit
  • C1293 - Code C1291 Set in Previous Ignition Cycle
  • C1294 - Brake Lamp Switch Circuit Always Active
  • C1295 - Brake Lamp Switch Circuit Open
  • C1296 - Brake Fluid Pressure Sensor Circuit
  • C1297 - PCM Indicated Brake Extended Travel Switch Failure
  • C1298 - PCM Class 2 Serial Data Link Malfunction
  • C1326 - Battery Out of Range
  • C1650 - RSS Control Module Fault
  • C1658 - RSS Control Module Calibration Fault
  • C1710 - Left Front Damper Actuator Short Circuit to Battery
  • C1711 - Left Front Damper Actuator Short Circuit to Ground
  • C1712 - Left Front Damper Actuator Open Circuit
  • C1715 - Right Front Damper Actuator Short Circuit to Battery
  • C1716 - Right Front Damper Actuator Short Circuit to Ground
  • C1717 - Right Front Damper Actuator Open Circuit
  • C1720 - Left Rear Damper Actuator Short Circuit to Battery
  • C1721 - Left Rear Damper Actuator Short Circuit to Ground
  • C1722 - Left Rear Damper Actuator Open Circuit
  • C1725 - Right Rear Damper Actuator Short Circuit to Battery
  • C1726 - Right Rear Damper Actuator Short Circuit to Ground
  • C1727 - Right Rear Damper Actuator Open Circuit
  • C1735 - Compressor Relay Short to Battery
  • C1736 - Compressor Relay Short to GND/Open Circuit
  • C1737 - Exhaust Solenoid Valve Short to Battery
  • C1738 - Exhaust Solenoid Valve Short to GND
  • C1743 - Speed Signal Fault
  • C1744 - Lift/Dive Signal Discrete Fault
  • C1760 - Left Front Position Sensor Input Fault
  • C1761 - Right Front Position Sensor Input Fault
  • C1762 - Left Rear Position Sensor Input Fault
  • C1763 - Right Rear Position Sensor Input Fault
  • C1768 - Position Sensor Supply Fault
  • C1780 - Loss of Steering Position Signal
  • C1782 - ICCS2 DL Left Output Short Circuit to Bat
  • C1783 - ICCS2 DL Left Output Short Circuit to GND
  • C1784 - ICCS2 DL Right Output Short Circuit to Bat
  • C1785 - ICCS2 DL Right Output Short Circuit to GND
  • C1786 - Damper Control Relay Fault
  • C1787 - Damper Control Relay Short to GND
  • C1788 - Damper Control Relay Short to Bat

 
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