Child Lock
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ORIGINAL: nascar 17
I was told by hummer because i called and ask for someone high enough up to call me and explain how something so IMPORTANT could be neglected by hummer and gm. he said they used the colorado pick up truck doors and they didnt have them on it.. he did say the 2007 would be on there. he said i could program on the remote that when i put it in park only my door would unlock but that doesnt stop your kids from unlocking the door themselfs and then opening the door. it is so dangerous to be able to have a child open the door before you can stop mthen in the drivers seat,i told them how something that has been around for years and they couldnt have it on theer is so stupid on there part and dangerous and one day they might get a call from someone who has a child fallen out and get a law suit on them.
I was told by hummer because i called and ask for someone high enough up to call me and explain how something so IMPORTANT could be neglected by hummer and gm. he said they used the colorado pick up truck doors and they didnt have them on it.. he did say the 2007 would be on there. he said i could program on the remote that when i put it in park only my door would unlock but that doesnt stop your kids from unlocking the door themselfs and then opening the door. it is so dangerous to be able to have a child open the door before you can stop mthen in the drivers seat,i told them how something that has been around for years and they couldnt have it on theer is so stupid on there part and dangerous and one day they might get a call from someone who has a child fallen out and get a law suit on them.
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ORIGINAL: importkiller
I can understand your response..to a point. On the first day we had out H3 my son reached over from his car seat and opened the door...scared the bejesus out of me. It was a dumb oversight by GM and after a few child deaths they will be sued and the 2006 models will be retro fit with the child door locks.
While you are correct that cars when we were kids did not have them and we were ok, look at the cars you are comparing here. A 2006 h3 rear door with power door locks is A TON easier to open than say the 1979 Pontiac station wagon my mom had when I was a kid. First off the door lock and the handle are right next to each other on the h3, back in the day the door locks were mostly all the pull up kind at the back of the door, alot of adults had a hard time pulling them suckers up, plus the door handles were hard to pull and the door themselves weighed a ton. The problem with not having the door locks is that the car seat now HAS to be located in the center of the rear seat, totally eliminating the ability to have an adult rear passenger sit comfortably on the already narrow rear seat. By mounting the seat in the center the rear cupholders are now useless also and also makes mounting the seat solidly without any side to side play a royal biatch!
I don't buy the excuse that we didn't have it back when we were kids so todays kids should be ok too. We didn't have air bags back then either but they are pretty much standard now. Same with air conditioning, rear shoulder harness seat belts, and numerous other improvements that most couldn't live without. It's a damn shame when you could buy a friggen $15,000 Kia and have child door locks but a $35,000 Hummer doesn't have them.....wait to go GM!!
ORIGINAL: Linus Gump
I understand your anger and frustration about the locks, but think about when you grew up. Cars didn't have them then, and it didn't take the smart kids long to figure out that if they open the door, they got in trouble. The slower learning kids took longer, and the defiant ones didn't care. Kids today are just as smart, if not smarter, as they were when we were kids, so it would stand to reason the same would go for them as it did for us. The smart ones will learn, the slow ones will eventually learn, and the defiant ones will find the switch and open the doors anyway.
IMO I dont believe that the automobile manufacturers, or anyone else, should be responsible for the behavior and actions of someone's children. Besides, if the kids are properly restrained in a car seat, they shouldn't be at risk of falling out. Just my .02 and I hope I didn't offend.
ORIGINAL: nascar 17
I was told by hummer because i called and ask for someone high enough up to call me and explain how something so IMPORTANT could be neglected by hummer and gm. he said they used the colorado pick up truck doors and they didnt have them on it.. he did say the 2007 would be on there. he said i could program on the remote that when i put it in park only my door would unlock but that doesnt stop your kids from unlocking the door themselfs and then opening the door. it is so dangerous to be able to have a child open the door before you can stop mthen in the drivers seat,i told them how something that has been around for years and they couldnt have it on theer is so stupid on there part and dangerous and one day they might get a call from someone who has a child fallen out and get a law suit on them.
I was told by hummer because i called and ask for someone high enough up to call me and explain how something so IMPORTANT could be neglected by hummer and gm. he said they used the colorado pick up truck doors and they didnt have them on it.. he did say the 2007 would be on there. he said i could program on the remote that when i put it in park only my door would unlock but that doesnt stop your kids from unlocking the door themselfs and then opening the door. it is so dangerous to be able to have a child open the door before you can stop mthen in the drivers seat,i told them how something that has been around for years and they couldnt have it on theer is so stupid on there part and dangerous and one day they might get a call from someone who has a child fallen out and get a law suit on them.
IMO I dont believe that the automobile manufacturers, or anyone else, should be responsible for the behavior and actions of someone's children. Besides, if the kids are properly restrained in a car seat, they shouldn't be at risk of falling out. Just my .02 and I hope I didn't offend.
While you are correct that cars when we were kids did not have them and we were ok, look at the cars you are comparing here. A 2006 h3 rear door with power door locks is A TON easier to open than say the 1979 Pontiac station wagon my mom had when I was a kid. First off the door lock and the handle are right next to each other on the h3, back in the day the door locks were mostly all the pull up kind at the back of the door, alot of adults had a hard time pulling them suckers up, plus the door handles were hard to pull and the door themselves weighed a ton. The problem with not having the door locks is that the car seat now HAS to be located in the center of the rear seat, totally eliminating the ability to have an adult rear passenger sit comfortably on the already narrow rear seat. By mounting the seat in the center the rear cupholders are now useless also and also makes mounting the seat solidly without any side to side play a royal biatch!
I don't buy the excuse that we didn't have it back when we were kids so todays kids should be ok too. We didn't have air bags back then either but they are pretty much standard now. Same with air conditioning, rear shoulder harness seat belts, and numerous other improvements that most couldn't live without. It's a damn shame when you could buy a friggen $15,000 Kia and have child door locks but a $35,000 Hummer doesn't have them.....wait to go GM!!
There is no law stating " Cars MUST be equipped with child locks on the doors"
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[quote]ORIGINAL: importkiller
ORIGINAL: rkcrawl
I'm a parent too. Do I want something to happen to your child? Emphatically NO! Did I agree that GM was dumb to over look they safety lock, yes. But to threat a lawsuit over it, when nothing has happened, is IMO a misplaced threat. Sorry you see it differently and are offended. I happen to disagree with the woman who burned herself with coffee and sued Mcd because the coffee was hot.
I don't want to further offend you, but you are stating that simply being able to access the door is cause enough for a child to fall out... I assume that child would also then have not been buckled into a proper car seat either, correct? All this talk about when we were kids we didn't have these child safety locks is true, we also didn't have car seat or boosters and seatbelt laws. All of which we do now and all of them together DO greatly increase the safety of children when riding in a car. But NONE of them remove our ultimate responsibility for our children's safety.
I know this will upset you, but no one is making you drive the H3 with your children in it. If you do, and YOU KNOW that it doesn't have the child locks on the rear doors, then you ultimately are responsible for what happens (even if you want to argue that its GMs fault).
Again, first and foremost, I don't wish any harm to your child or any other child. I am simply trying to make the point: The rear doors don't have them, yes really dumb on GMs part, but you (we) made the decision to buy and drive the vehicle with our children in them. That puts A LOT of the responsibility on US.
ORIGINAL: importkiller
misplaced?!?!? REALLY?!?!?! Well let me tell you something, if a woman can sue Mcdonalds for a few million because their hot coffee burned her you don't think GM will get sued if a child dies from their failure to have child safety locks on a 2006 Hummer? If you don't think so then I suggest you get your head out of the brown spot. I am a parent and I do teach my son but you can't teach a 15 month old not to open a door, they will pull at and play with anything they can reach...guess what???? My son could reach the door lock and door handle at 15 months old...now tell me MR. SUPER DAD how is this not Gm's problem, seems to me they were the ones that came up with the overall sh*t design. Maybe if the back seat was set back a few more inches then it would keep little ones from bieng able to reach the lock and handle or maybe they could have invented some kind of a lock so that the door can't be opened from the inside.....hmm......oh yea A CHILD SAFETY DOOR LOCK THAT EVERY OTHER CAR IN THE WORLD HAS!!!
SO YES, IF MY 15 MONTH OLD WERE TO OPEN THE DOOR AGAIN AND GOD FORBID SOMETHING AWEFUL HAPPENED TO HIM...YOU CAN BET YOUR SWEET A$$ THAT I AM GONNA SUE GM FOR ALL THEY GOT!!!!!
misplaced?!?!? REALLY?!?!?! Well let me tell you something, if a woman can sue Mcdonalds for a few million because their hot coffee burned her you don't think GM will get sued if a child dies from their failure to have child safety locks on a 2006 Hummer? If you don't think so then I suggest you get your head out of the brown spot. I am a parent and I do teach my son but you can't teach a 15 month old not to open a door, they will pull at and play with anything they can reach...guess what???? My son could reach the door lock and door handle at 15 months old...now tell me MR. SUPER DAD how is this not Gm's problem, seems to me they were the ones that came up with the overall sh*t design. Maybe if the back seat was set back a few more inches then it would keep little ones from bieng able to reach the lock and handle or maybe they could have invented some kind of a lock so that the door can't be opened from the inside.....hmm......oh yea A CHILD SAFETY DOOR LOCK THAT EVERY OTHER CAR IN THE WORLD HAS!!!
SO YES, IF MY 15 MONTH OLD WERE TO OPEN THE DOOR AGAIN AND GOD FORBID SOMETHING AWEFUL HAPPENED TO HIM...YOU CAN BET YOUR SWEET A$$ THAT I AM GONNA SUE GM FOR ALL THEY GOT!!!!!
I don't want to further offend you, but you are stating that simply being able to access the door is cause enough for a child to fall out... I assume that child would also then have not been buckled into a proper car seat either, correct? All this talk about when we were kids we didn't have these child safety locks is true, we also didn't have car seat or boosters and seatbelt laws. All of which we do now and all of them together DO greatly increase the safety of children when riding in a car. But NONE of them remove our ultimate responsibility for our children's safety.
I know this will upset you, but no one is making you drive the H3 with your children in it. If you do, and YOU KNOW that it doesn't have the child locks on the rear doors, then you ultimately are responsible for what happens (even if you want to argue that its GMs fault).
Again, first and foremost, I don't wish any harm to your child or any other child. I am simply trying to make the point: The rear doors don't have them, yes really dumb on GMs part, but you (we) made the decision to buy and drive the vehicle with our children in them. That puts A LOT of the responsibility on US.
You didn't offend me, I just don't buy the arguement that GM doesn't have any liablility if/when something does happen. PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE I STATED as you say I did "simply being able to access the door is cause enough for a child to fall out"? I never said anything about falling out, I simply said opening the door. Yes my son is always in a car seat but him falling out isn't the only danger if he opens the door while driving, think about...there are numerous things that can injure a child while still in their car seat if he/she were to open the door. Don't know about you but I'm thinking swinging the door open into oncoming traffic could cause injury...ya think?
I didn't make a threat about a lawsuit, I simply stated that GM is too cheap to issue a nationwide recall over this when the know damn well they dropped the ball. They will instead wait and only issue a recall when/if a child dies or gets injured and through a lawsuit their hand is forced into issuing a recall to save face. Simple big business practice.
As far as this p
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[quote]ORIGINAL: importkiller
ORIGINAL: rkcrawl
I'm a parent too. Do I want something to happen to your child? Emphatically NO! Did I agree that GM was dumb to over look they safety lock, yes. But to threat a lawsuit over it, when nothing has happened, is IMO a misplaced threat. Sorry you see it differently and are offended. I happen to disagree with the woman who burned herself with coffee and sued Mcd because the coffee was hot.
I don't want to further offend you, but you are stating that simply being able to access the door is cause enough for a child to fall out... I assume that child would also then have not been buckled into a proper car seat either, correct? All this talk about when we were kids we didn't have these child safety locks is true, we also didn't have car seat or boosters and seatbelt laws. All of which we do now and all of them together DO greatly increase the safety of children when riding in a car. But NONE of them remove our ultimate responsibility for our children's safety.
I know this will upset you, but no one is making you drive the H3 with your children in it. If you do, and YOU KNOW that it doesn't have the child locks on the rear doors, then you ultimately are responsible for what happens (even if you want to argue that its GMs fault).
Again, first and foremost, I don't wish any harm to your child or any other child. I am simply trying to make the point: The rear doors don't have them, yes really dumb on GMs part, but you (we) made the decision to buy and drive the vehicle with our children in them. That puts A LOT of the responsibility on US.
ORIGINAL: importkiller
misplaced?!?!? REALLY?!?!?! Well let me tell you something, if a woman can sue Mcdonalds for a few million because their hot coffee burned her you don't think GM will get sued if a child dies from their failure to have child safety locks on a 2006 Hummer? If you don't think so then I suggest you get your head out of the brown spot. I am a parent and I do teach my son but you can't teach a 15 month old not to open a door, they will pull at and play with anything they can reach...guess what???? My son could reach the door lock and door handle at 15 months old...now tell me MR. SUPER DAD how is this not Gm's problem, seems to me they were the ones that came up with the overall sh*t design. Maybe if the back seat was set back a few more inches then it would keep little ones from bieng able to reach the lock and handle or maybe they could have invented some kind of a lock so that the door can't be opened from the inside.....hmm......oh yea A CHILD SAFETY DOOR LOCK THAT EVERY OTHER CAR IN THE WORLD HAS!!!
SO YES, IF MY 15 MONTH OLD WERE TO OPEN THE DOOR AGAIN AND GOD FORBID SOMETHING AWEFUL HAPPENED TO HIM...YOU CAN BET YOUR SWEET A$$ THAT I AM GONNA SUE GM FOR ALL THEY GOT!!!!!
misplaced?!?!? REALLY?!?!?! Well let me tell you something, if a woman can sue Mcdonalds for a few million because their hot coffee burned her you don't think GM will get sued if a child dies from their failure to have child safety locks on a 2006 Hummer? If you don't think so then I suggest you get your head out of the brown spot. I am a parent and I do teach my son but you can't teach a 15 month old not to open a door, they will pull at and play with anything they can reach...guess what???? My son could reach the door lock and door handle at 15 months old...now tell me MR. SUPER DAD how is this not Gm's problem, seems to me they were the ones that came up with the overall sh*t design. Maybe if the back seat was set back a few more inches then it would keep little ones from bieng able to reach the lock and handle or maybe they could have invented some kind of a lock so that the door can't be opened from the inside.....hmm......oh yea A CHILD SAFETY DOOR LOCK THAT EVERY OTHER CAR IN THE WORLD HAS!!!
SO YES, IF MY 15 MONTH OLD WERE TO OPEN THE DOOR AGAIN AND GOD FORBID SOMETHING AWEFUL HAPPENED TO HIM...YOU CAN BET YOUR SWEET A$$ THAT I AM GONNA SUE GM FOR ALL THEY GOT!!!!!
I don't want to further offend you, but you are stating that simply being able to access the door is cause enough for a child to fall out... I assume that child would also then have not been buckled into a proper car seat either, correct? All this talk about when we were kids we didn't have these child safety locks is true, we also didn't have car seat or boosters and seatbelt laws. All of which we do now and all of them together DO greatly increase the safety of children when riding in a car. But NONE of them remove our ultimate responsibility for our children's safety.
I know this will upset you, but no one is making you drive the H3 with your children in it. If you do, and YOU KNOW that it doesn't have the child locks on the rear doors, then you ultimately are responsible for what happens (even if you want to argue that its GMs fault).
Again, first and foremost, I don't wish any harm to your child or any other child. I am simply trying to make the point: The rear doors don't have them, yes really dumb on GMs part, but you (we) made the decision to buy and drive the vehicle with our children in them. That puts A LOT of the responsibility on US.
You didn't offend me, I just don't buy the arguement that GM doesn't have any liablility if/when something does happen. PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE I STATED as you say I did "simply being able to access the door is cause enough for a child to fall out"? I never said anything about falling out, I simply said opening the door. Yes my son is always in a car seat but him falling out isn't the only danger if he opens the door while driving, think about...there are numerous things that can injure a child while still in their car seat if he/she were to open the door. Don't know about you but I'm thinking swinging the door open into oncoming traffic could cause injury...ya think?
I didn't make a threat about a lawsuit, I simply stated that GM is too cheap to issue a nationwide recall over this when the know damn well they dropped the ball. They will instead wait and only issue a recall when/if a child dies or gets injured and through a lawsuit their hand is forced into issuing a recall to save face. Simple big business practice.
As far as this p
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ORIGINAL: importkiller
race, you make absolutely no sense so I am done with you. I NEVER SAID I WAS GOING TO SUE ANYONE!!!!!! READ THE DAMN THREAD and then maybe you can make informed replies instead of this idiotic dribble that you keep typing. If you read the thread you will see where I post numerous times that my son is always in his car seat and never loose in the car...I repeat for you...NEVER LOOSE IN THE CAR. And no, we were not going 50 mph..thats what is called an exageration.... Also who is RANTING ABOUT GOING BACK TO DODGE?!?!?! I mentioned it twice, and once was in reply to another one of your dumb posts....thats a rant?!?!?! I'd love to know what you mean by assuring me that neither company wants my business if I react with them as I do here? What the hell does that mean? How did I react here? Because I'm not a GM homer like you that will stand for any dumb oversights without causing a stink? IF you reread the first thread by me you will see that I never said I was going to sue or never mentioned that GM should get sued, I simply stated that GM will fix the doors once they are sued, just like Ford and Firestone it always takes some sort of tragity before something gets done...THATS ALL I SAID AND ALL I MEANT!!! I am not sueing your beloved GM, I am just trying to get an answer as to why my sticker said child safety door locks and why they do not have them....thats it. I did get a call today and it looks like things will be resolved...so kudos GM.
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I never said I was going to sue or never mentioned that GM should get sued, I simply stated that GM will fix the doors once they are sued, just like Ford and Firestone it always takes some sort of tragity before something gets done
race, you make absolutely no sense so I am done with you. I NEVER SAID I WAS GOING TO SUE ANYONE!!!!!! READ THE DAMN THREAD and then maybe you can make informed replies instead of this idiotic dribble that you keep typing. If you read the thread you will see where I post numerous times that my son is always in his car seat and never loose in the car...I repeat for you...NEVER LOOSE IN THE CAR. And no, we were not going 50 mph..thats what is called an exageration.... Also who is RANTING ABOUT GOING BACK TO DODGE?!?!?! I mentioned it twice, and once was in reply to another one of your dumb posts....thats a rant?!?!?! I'd love to know what you mean by assuring me that neither company wants my business if I react with them as I do here? What the hell does that mean? How did I react here? Because I'm not a GM homer like you that will stand for any dumb oversights without causing a stink? IF you reread the first thread by me you will see that I never said I was going to sue or never mentioned that GM should get sued, I simply stated that GM will fix the doors once they are sued, just like Ford and Firestone it always takes some sort of tragity before something gets done...THATS ALL I SAID AND ALL I MEANT!!! I am not sueing your beloved GM, I am just trying to get an answer as to why my sticker said child safety door locks and why they do not have them....thats it. I did get a call today and it looks like things will be resolved...so kudos GM.
ONE LAST TIME FOR ALL THAT SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN OFFENDED:
I never said I was going to sue or never mentioned that GM should get sued, I simply stated that GM will fix the doors once they are sued, just like Ford and Firestone it always takes some sort of tragity before something gets done
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ORIGINAL: importkiller
Dude that sucks! My big brother got tossed out of my parents 1979 (I think) pontiac station wagon. Messed him up pretty bad.
ORIGINAL: shortbus
i'd pipe in here with my opinion, but i keep getting flashbacks of my parents' stationwagon, then the blacktop, and coming to a rolling stop against the guardrail. what a ride. [sm=boohoo.gif]
i'd pipe in here with my opinion, but i keep getting flashbacks of my parents' stationwagon, then the blacktop, and coming to a rolling stop against the guardrail. what a ride. [sm=boohoo.gif]
Dude that sucks! My big brother got tossed out of my parents 1979 (I think) pontiac station wagon. Messed him up pretty bad.
BOTH TIMES SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUCKLED!!!
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ORIGINAL: shortbus
well, luckily for me, i wasn't hurt, aside from some road cherries. i was only 5 and still fairly flexible. if i did it now, my brittle frame would crack into a thousand pieces. i used to love riding against the tailgate of my dad's pickup, you got the best air at the far back.
everyone have a nice weekend, have a beer, hug your kids, and relax. the next meteor may land on your street and none of this $hit will matter anymore. [sm=icon_guiness.gif]
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well, luckily for me, i wasn't hurt, aside from some road cherries. i was only 5 and still fairly flexible. if i did it now, my brittle frame would crack into a thousand pieces. i used to love riding against the tailgate of my dad's pickup, you got the best air at the far back.
everyone have a nice weekend, have a beer, hug your kids, and relax. the next meteor may land on your street and none of this $hit will matter anymore. [sm=icon_guiness.gif]
[sm=happybounce.gif]
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ORIGINAL: CruisinCarAudio
AND IF IMPORT FELL OUT HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SUED, BECAUSE IT DIDNT LOCK OR SOMETHING STUPID
ORIGINAL: shortbus
well, luckily for me, i wasn't hurt, aside from some road cherries. i was only 5 and still fairly flexible. if i did it now, my brittle frame would crack into a thousand pieces. i used to love riding against the tailgate of my dad's pickup, you got the best air at the far back.
everyone have a nice weekend, have a beer, hug your kids, and relax. the next meteor may land on your street and none of this $hit will matter anymore. [sm=icon_guiness.gif]
[sm=happybounce.gif]
well, luckily for me, i wasn't hurt, aside from some road cherries. i was only 5 and still fairly flexible. if i did it now, my brittle frame would crack into a thousand pieces. i used to love riding against the tailgate of my dad's pickup, you got the best air at the far back.
everyone have a nice weekend, have a beer, hug your kids, and relax. the next meteor may land on your street and none of this $hit will matter anymore. [sm=icon_guiness.gif]
[sm=happybounce.gif]
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