Sky Dive
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RE: Sky Dive
ORIGINAL: ZYNE
Ok .. first out .. no one told you about static line huh .. lol .. SL has the highest fatality rate amongst first time jumpers because you THINK you're in control but trust me here, you are far from in control on your first jump. Not trying to slam you here, just made a FEW more jumps than you have, and I've seen enough SL students cake in and get seriously hurt or killed.
It is very common SL students who do end up with a malfunction end up injured or killed. I'm assuming you are "taught" to identify the different mal's pre-jump and more or less cut away from all of them with the exception of maybe a slider up mal or line twists (though we always taught ours to just chop).
Hate to be the a-hole to pizz in your wheaties here but proper malfunction procedures TAKES TIME and repetition. You have to develop a muscle memory and a calm/collected emergency approach. As a first timer youdon't have it, regardless of 6 hours of ground school. What if you loose your goggles? Can you still chop and dump the reserve? Do you know where to put your hands with your eyes closed ? While on your back in a flat spin sucking your arms out and away from your body? Or without goggles heads down!? No, you don't. I've been in a situation where I couldn't see crap .. we did a high alti jump from 25K without bailout bottles .. it's very cold up there .. 85 or so at ground level. My fullface helmet I used for these jumps fogged up and I had ZERO visibility .. and at 3k when I pulled I also ended up with ZERO nylon above my head ... I fought it until I went through 900 feet and got the main out above me .. this mind you after several hundred jumps .. I lost altitude awareness .. I lost track of time (it sloooooooooooooooows way down in your head during these events) of course ... had I been about another second getting that resolved this discussion would not have taken place ...
Tandem progression is MUCH safer and believe it or not, with the proper program you have the SAME control, you just have a fail safe strapped to your back. If something goes wrong, THEY handle it, not you. Then they ease you in to an AFF progression, Assisted Free Fall where you jump your own parachute rig but with instructors to help you. Again, much safer. If you do another jump, I would recommend against SL, it's outdated and unsafe bro.
ORIGINAL: bonzaiii
I've been twice, both times via static line. I choose static line because I wanted to jump solo without someone else straped to me. Only bad thing about that is you don't get to freefall. I tell you what though, there is no bigger rush than taking that first step out and no greater feeling than when the shoot opens and your in controll.
I've been twice, both times via static line. I choose static line because I wanted to jump solo without someone else straped to me. Only bad thing about that is you don't get to freefall. I tell you what though, there is no bigger rush than taking that first step out and no greater feeling than when the shoot opens and your in controll.
It is very common SL students who do end up with a malfunction end up injured or killed. I'm assuming you are "taught" to identify the different mal's pre-jump and more or less cut away from all of them with the exception of maybe a slider up mal or line twists (though we always taught ours to just chop).
Hate to be the a-hole to pizz in your wheaties here but proper malfunction procedures TAKES TIME and repetition. You have to develop a muscle memory and a calm/collected emergency approach. As a first timer youdon't have it, regardless of 6 hours of ground school. What if you loose your goggles? Can you still chop and dump the reserve? Do you know where to put your hands with your eyes closed ? While on your back in a flat spin sucking your arms out and away from your body? Or without goggles heads down!? No, you don't. I've been in a situation where I couldn't see crap .. we did a high alti jump from 25K without bailout bottles .. it's very cold up there .. 85 or so at ground level. My fullface helmet I used for these jumps fogged up and I had ZERO visibility .. and at 3k when I pulled I also ended up with ZERO nylon above my head ... I fought it until I went through 900 feet and got the main out above me .. this mind you after several hundred jumps .. I lost altitude awareness .. I lost track of time (it sloooooooooooooooows way down in your head during these events) of course ... had I been about another second getting that resolved this discussion would not have taken place ...
Tandem progression is MUCH safer and believe it or not, with the proper program you have the SAME control, you just have a fail safe strapped to your back. If something goes wrong, THEY handle it, not you. Then they ease you in to an AFF progression, Assisted Free Fall where you jump your own parachute rig but with instructors to help you. Again, much safer. If you do another jump, I would recommend against SL, it's outdated and unsafe bro.
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RE: Sky Dive
Sorry to hear about your friend burning in 
It's never easy to deal with, especially if you witness it :/
End cell closure is not really a mal, it's a packing error :-) The canopy opens too softly and the end cells will not inflate as a result. A couple of good pumps with the stearing toggles or a couple of S-turns resolves that quickly! Line twists CAN be a dangerous situation. Not so much on the larger and slower canopies you jump as students.Once you start getting in to heavily loaded elipticals such as what I used to jump it can easily become a life/death situation. A heavily loaded stiletto with a toggle fire during opening can and will spin you up so fast and hard it will pin your head between the risers. Then since it's a stiletto it will of course initiate one of it's infamous line twist/front riser dives and basically cork screw you in to the ground around 60 mph ... Student canopies will do it as well but at much slower speeds.
It's never easy to deal with, especially if you witness it :/ End cell closure is not really a mal, it's a packing error :-) The canopy opens too softly and the end cells will not inflate as a result. A couple of good pumps with the stearing toggles or a couple of S-turns resolves that quickly! Line twists CAN be a dangerous situation. Not so much on the larger and slower canopies you jump as students.Once you start getting in to heavily loaded elipticals such as what I used to jump it can easily become a life/death situation. A heavily loaded stiletto with a toggle fire during opening can and will spin you up so fast and hard it will pin your head between the risers. Then since it's a stiletto it will of course initiate one of it's infamous line twist/front riser dives and basically cork screw you in to the ground around 60 mph ... Student canopies will do it as well but at much slower speeds.
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RE: Sky Dive
ORIGINAL: HummBob
That SUKS!!![:@]
That SUKS!!![:@]
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RE: Sky Dive
ORIGINAL: ZYNE
I was pretty much putting my gear on the shelf anyways but at least I felt like I had the option to jump if I wanted to ... knowing I can't makes it suck though :/ I'm too ******' young for this **** lol
ORIGINAL: HummBob
That SUKS!!![:@]
That SUKS!!![:@]
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From: Cincinnati, OH
RE: Sky Dive
ORIGINAL: HummBob
I hear ya....Would have been nice if it was TOTALLY YOUR CHOICE!!!!![&:]
ORIGINAL: ZYNE
I was pretty much putting my gear on the shelf anyways but at least I felt like I had the option to jump if I wanted to ... knowing I can't makes it suck though :/ I'm too ******' young for this **** lol
ORIGINAL: HummBob
That SUKS!!![:@]
That SUKS!!![:@]