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Old Mar 22, 2011 | 01:41 AM
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Isn't this the guy who led the vanguard about George Bush starting an illegal war? Seems to me that Bush had Congressional approval before we went to Iraq - even though the Democrats seemed to forget that they were saying the same stuff Bush said long before we had ever heard of him. Obama cares nothing about rules, the Constitution, or anything else American as far as I can see. Libya wasn't doing any of the stuff Iraq was doing. They were not threatening their neighbors or us. They weren't killing millions of their own citizens. Yes, they are having a civil war but that doesn't effect the UN or US. Now Obama says Gaddafi has to go! Didn't he say the US had no right changing who rules a foreign country? Rules just don't apply to him I guess... Oh yeah, it's Bush's fault.


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As Allied forces bombarded Libya for a third night, President Barack Obama faced growing criticism at home and abroad over his decision to support the military campaign in the north African country.
There have been complaints at home that Obama should have consulted Congress and obtained its approval before supporting a UN Security Council resolution authorizing allies to enforce a no-fly zone and use any measures necessary to protect civilians.
He has been criticized for everything from using military force at all, getting involved too late and getting involved in a conflict that is not of vital interest to the United States, reports the Los Angeles Times.
"The president seems to have angered almost every major group: He's either done too much or too little or he's done it too slowly," James Lindsay, a former official in the Clinton White House, told the Times. "There's a very real political risk for Barack Obama in all of this."
An editorial in the Boston Globe aruges that it can be a violation of the U.S. Constitution to not receive Congress's approval for sustained military engagement, and Obama should have had the informed consent of Congress before such military action in Libya.
"Congress is expected to check and balance the chief executive’s military authority, both by passing judgment on the exercise of that authority and through its power of the purse. That is why the 112th Congress should even now go ahead with debating, and taking a stand on, U.S. action in Libya," the editorial reads. "As U.S. military involvement against Gaddafi intensifies, it is good to have the sanction of the international community. The sanction of Congress, however, is indispensable."
Earlier, the bombardment of Libya and possible killing of more civilians came under criticism by the Arab League.
Obama defended his approach during his tour of Latin America Monday, saying it was "very easy to square our military actions and our stated policies."
He also sent a letter to Congress arguing that he authorized strikes that will be limited in duration and scope and that will support America's national interest.

The United States is moving to hand command of the strikes to its allies in Europe, but there was confusion Monday over who will take control and from where, the New York Times reports.
Obama has stressed that Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi must step down or be forced from power. This "policy" announcement came after the top U.S. commander, Adm. Mike Mullen, insisted on Sunday that the removal of the Libyan leader was not the goal of the current allied military operation.
Obama said that as part of the international coalition now enforcing a no-fly zone in Libya, he had "authorized the United States military to work with our international partners to fulfill that mandate," according to the Australian Broadcasting Commission.
"Now, I also have stated that it is U.S. policy that Gaddafi needs to go," he added, speaking in Santiago, Chile.
 
Old Mar 23, 2011 | 11:03 AM
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im thinking that if Gaddafi said obama must go,he'd find some support,worldwide
 
Old Mar 23, 2011 | 05:07 PM
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im thinking that if Gaddafi said obama must go,he'd find some support,worldwide
Yep, I know I would.
 
Old Mar 24, 2011 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Barack Obama; March 23, 2011
The situation here is entirely focused on making sure that the Libyan people can live out their own aspirations.
You know, we're not invading a country. We're not acting alone. We are acting under a mandate issued by the United Nations Security Council, in an unprecedented fashion and with unprecedented speed. We had a limited task, a focused task, and we've saved lives as a consequence.
And I think the American people don't see any contradiction in somebody who cares about peace also wanting to make sure that people aren't butchered because of a dictator who wants to cling to power.
Originally Posted by Barack Obama; July 27, 2007
Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn’t a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there. “Well, look, if that’s the criteria by which we are making decisions on the deployment of U.S. forces, then by that argument you would have 300,000 troops in the Congo right now—where millions have been slaughtered as a consequence of ethnic strife—which we haven’t done,” Obama said in an interview with The Associated Press.
He got elected by slamming everything Bush ever did, including going into Iraq. He talked about Bush's deficit, which he has now tripled. He talked about Bush going to war (with Congressional approval), and now he does it without Congressional approval... but it is apparently OK because he has UN approval. I thought he worked for us, not the UN. (Actually I didn't. I know he doesn't work for us.

I just wish someone would kick this illegal out of the White House and not make us wait till 2012. If he gets kicked out all of the damage he has done can be reversed.
 
Old Mar 24, 2011 | 08:38 PM
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You can't kick Obama out. He's GOD !!!
 
Old Mar 24, 2011 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by atv jr
You can't kick Obama out. He's GOD !!!
If you don't believe it just ask him! haha

I'm just amazed at the things he will say. Libya has been doing none of the things that Iraq was doing. Around 6000 people have been killed in Libya for revolting against Gaddafi. Millions were killed in Iraq just so Saddam could test out his chemical weapons. Obama says Bush was wrong but somehow twists it to justify his action now. Everyone expects the Muslim Brotherhood to take over Libya if Gaddafi is kicked out. So of course our President rises to the challenge to help remove him. This is just as transparent as every other thing he has done to damage our country.
 
Old Mar 27, 2011 | 04:23 AM
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Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links

Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, the Libyan rebel leader, has said jihadists who fought against allied troops in Iraq are on the front lines of the battle against Muammar Gaddafi's regime.


Mr al-Hasidi admitted he had earlier fought against 'the foreign invasion' in Afghanistan Photo: AFP







By Praveen Swami, Nick Squires and Duncan Gardham 5:00PM GMT 25 Mar 2011

In an interview with the Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore, Mr al-Hasidi admitted that he had recruited "around 25" men from the Derna area in eastern Libya to fight against coalition troops in Iraq. Some of them, he said, are "today are on the front lines in Adjabiya".

Mr al-Hasidi insisted his fighters "are patriots and good Muslims, not terrorists," but added that the "members of al-Qaeda are also good Muslims and are fighting against the invader".

His revelations came even as Idriss Deby Itno, Chad's president, said al-Qaeda had managed to pillage military arsenals in the Libyan rebel zone and acquired arms, "including surface-to-air missiles, which were then smuggled into their sanctuaries".

Mr al-Hasidi admitted he had earlier fought against "the foreign invasion" in Afghanistan, before being "captured in 2002 in Peshwar, in Pakistan". He was later handed over to the US, and then held in Libya before being released in 2008.

US and British government sources said Mr al-Hasidi was a member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, or LIFG, which killed dozens of Libyan troops in guerrilla attacks around Derna and Benghazi in 1995 and 1996.
 
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Another irony is that Libya is also the first country that was set up and developed by the UN. Maybe they really want it bombed now to help hide the evidence?
 
Old Mar 27, 2011 | 10:34 AM
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I hate to bring up the "Oil" word, but I really do believe that's why the French were so insistant that we get involved.
 
Old Mar 27, 2011 | 12:47 PM
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But we hardly get any oil at all from Libya. Libya only accounts for less than 2% of oil exports for the entire world. I think oil is being bandied around as an excuse, just as the detractors for Iraq tried to say it was about oil. But the facts just don't hold up in either case. As can be seen below, only one of the top five sources for US oil is in the Middle East. Still a shame to see us buying all this oil at crazy prices when we have so much of our own.

Source: US Dept of Energy

Crude Oil Imports (Top 15 Countries)
(Thousand Barrels per Day)


Country.........Dec 2010
CANADA 2,064

MEXICO 1,223

SAUDI ARABIA 1,076

NIGERIA 1,024

VENEZUELA 825

IRAQ 336

ANGOLA 307

BRAZIL 271

ALGERIA 262

COLOMBIA 220

ECUADOR 192

RUSSIA 158

KUWAIT 125

UNITED KINGDOM 124

ARGENTINA 85
 

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