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Good Point!!!!!!!!!![8D]

 

how was the ride?

 

Ive been looking for this article. glad I found it!

 

Good link, gives me a good topic when im hanging out with the prius driving enviromentalist that snicker at my h2.

 

The Prius (and other hybrid cars that use NiMH batteries) probably doesn't effect the output of the Sudbury mine all that much. All of the nickel mined would be used up regardless.
If not in the Prius, than in laptops, cordless phones, power tools, etc.

 

I'm just tired of everyone thinking they have to justify the purchase of a Hummer to the greenies. There's more factors to a vehicle buying decision than just MPG. Hummer fits my lifestyle, and I can afford it, period - end of discussion.

 

ditto

 

The story was a poorly researched article by a college student who wrote it in 1/2 an hour and based it on a junk science so-called study. See bottom of http://www.mercurycougar.net/forums/...45&postcount=8
Although he is still anti hybrid, he admitted in this followup that the CNW study is questionable. He is also wrong in claiming that the Tesla Roadster is $30K when they are over $100K per Tesla .

The Sudbury mine story has been retracted http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/a...a-factory.html

The CNW study he cited has been thoroughly debunked:
http://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/200....asp#headaches
http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integr...sus_prius.html
http://www.thecarconnection.com/arti...oding-the-myth
http://www.slate.com/id/2186786/
http://www.triplepundit.com/pages/as...car-002538.php
http://www.rmi.org/images/PDFs/Trans...DustToDust.pdf
http://www.toyota.com/html/dyncon/20...mervprius.html

 

You can look at their junk at http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automoti...%20VERSION.pdf . Do some simple math and you will find it makes no sense. Somehow to them, they claim a Prius costs $13K to make, yet $325K to dispose of. CNW claims that it costs a mere $93 of energy to recycle the Prius battery.

BTW, they claim that a Hummer H2 accumulates $356K in non-recyables disposal energy costs on p. 255 and that total energy cost for an H2 is from $596K to $664K on p. 284 for a claimed 197K mile lifespan. Assume that an H2 really lasts 197,000 miles and you get 10 mpg and gas costs $5/gal. The gasoline cost only 98,500. Subtract the vehicle cost, say $60K. That leaves you with $437,500 of energy costs. Take off another $30K for maintenance. Where does the other $400K come from?

Even the numbers for a Hummer make no sense.

BTW, regarding the claim by RyanCodyH3 that the batteries need to be changed every 3 to 5 years, the Prius batteries are warranted for 10 years/150K miles on CA and CARB states and 8 years/100K miles for everyone else.

Be sure to tell http://john1701a.com/prius/owners/jesse4.htm that his 349K mile Prius should last only 100K miles. Also, be sure to tell these guys http://avt.inl.gov/hev.shtml who took two current gen Priuses to 160K miles as well as two previous gens along with http://www.autospies.com/news/Prius-...-no-time-17638 and http://www.hybridexperience.ca/Toyota_Prius.htm who hit 248K miles on his current gen and 206K miles on a previous gen.