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Do we get out of Iraq
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What is different this time than let's say WWII? We're so damn worried about "colateral damage" God forbid if we kill a civilain over there. Those nut's over there can saw off the head of an innocent American, but put panties on one of their heads and all hell breaks loose. Ya know how to stop it? Bring our boys home safely, and them bomb the *** out of Iraq. And the next time some azzhole wants to mess with us or any of our allies they will think twice.[sm=americanasmiley.gif]
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I know..I didn't want to see anybody besides the fanatics over there to get hurt...there is a lot of genuinely good people in Iraq..take the northern Kurdish area..they love us Americans...
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As a vetran of that conflict, I have a different perspective than what is shown on the news, and from what the average American has. Since we don't get to hear about any of the good things that happen, and our media could care less about the poll that was done a month or so ago that showed most Iraqis don't see themself in a civil war, and most still want American support, and most still believe in the posisibility of having thier own democratic country, I say we stay and keep guiding them and training them until they are able to defendthier governmentagainst all enemies, both foriegn and domestic, then let them sort out the religious differences. Afterall, that is what most of the violence is about right now. There are some politics involved, but that is thier politics to deal with.
They are not ready yet, and we are not done yet.
The amazing thing is, if they could quell the violence and make it a safe enough place for tourists to go, they could make as much, if not more, from tourism than they do from oil. The only other place mentioned in the Bible as much as Iraq is Isreal. The ancient city of Babylon is in Iraq, Ur, the birthplace of Abraham, is in Iraq, The Garden of Eden is believed to be in Iraq. religious people would flock there to see and experience these places. All of this, and more. The rest of the country is filled with beutiful sceanery and culture. It truly is a place to be experienced.
They are not ready yet, and we are not done yet.
The amazing thing is, if they could quell the violence and make it a safe enough place for tourists to go, they could make as much, if not more, from tourism than they do from oil. The only other place mentioned in the Bible as much as Iraq is Isreal. The ancient city of Babylon is in Iraq, Ur, the birthplace of Abraham, is in Iraq, The Garden of Eden is believed to be in Iraq. religious people would flock there to see and experience these places. All of this, and more. The rest of the country is filled with beutiful sceanery and culture. It truly is a place to be experienced.
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ORIGINAL: Linus Gump
As a vetran of that conflict, I have a different perspective than what is shown on the news, and from what the average American has. Since we don't get to hear about any of the good things that happen, and our media could care less about the poll that was done a month or so ago that showed most Iraqis don't see themself in a civil war, and most still want American support, and most still believe in the posisibility of having thier own democratic country, I say we stay and keep guiding them and training them until they are able to defendthier governmentagainst all enemies, both foriegn and domestic, then let them sort out the religious differences. Afterall, that is what most of the violence is about right now. There are some politics involved, but that is thier politics to deal with.
They are not ready yet, and we are not done yet.
The amazing thing is, if they could quell the violence and make it a safe enough place for tourists to go, they could make as much, if not more, from tourism than they do from oil. The only other place mentioned in the Bible as much as Iraq is Isreal. The ancient city of Babylon is in Iraq, Ur, the birthplace of Abraham, is in Iraq, The Garden of Eden is believed to be in Iraq. religious people would flock there to see and experience these places. All of this, and more. The rest of the country is filled with beutiful sceanery and culture. It truly is a place to be experienced.
As a vetran of that conflict, I have a different perspective than what is shown on the news, and from what the average American has. Since we don't get to hear about any of the good things that happen, and our media could care less about the poll that was done a month or so ago that showed most Iraqis don't see themself in a civil war, and most still want American support, and most still believe in the posisibility of having thier own democratic country, I say we stay and keep guiding them and training them until they are able to defendthier governmentagainst all enemies, both foriegn and domestic, then let them sort out the religious differences. Afterall, that is what most of the violence is about right now. There are some politics involved, but that is thier politics to deal with.
They are not ready yet, and we are not done yet.
The amazing thing is, if they could quell the violence and make it a safe enough place for tourists to go, they could make as much, if not more, from tourism than they do from oil. The only other place mentioned in the Bible as much as Iraq is Isreal. The ancient city of Babylon is in Iraq, Ur, the birthplace of Abraham, is in Iraq, The Garden of Eden is believed to be in Iraq. religious people would flock there to see and experience these places. All of this, and more. The rest of the country is filled with beutiful sceanery and culture. It truly is a place to be experienced.
I know quiet well the ME since I had various subsidiaries of my company in SA, UAE and Jordan.
I have been to Iraq several times (before '90) and I have dealt with iraquis.
You have today two different influence in that region, the Saoud which are mainly composed from tribes coming from Jordan originally.
Their influence is both financial, political - thanks to both the USA and Europe- and religious (dont forget that the arabic title of the King of SA is ' the guardian of the mosque') and the Iranian who are supported politically by China. ( thus no one move since China check book is far too big for anyone to really **** them off).
The religious aspect is extremely complex since they are all muslims but from 5 differents branches.
The two main branches Sunnits and Chiites are in control. The trick is that the Chiites (90% of Iran 68 millions people and 60% of Iraq but only 15% of SA) are by far the biggest part of the population.
In Iraq and in SA the Sunnites- a quiet small minority- have ALWAYS been in control both politically and financially when the chiites controls IRAN.
The Iran/Irak 8 years war was about religious control.
Coming back to the main subject, I believed that what you said about 'educating them' is wishful thinking.
The Iraq war started over Saddam and his croonies.
They have all been removed and instead of seeing the country settling down and -with the help of the Americans- going toward a democracy what we are seeing now is a religious war developing.
Fueled by both Saoudis and iranian.
In ireland the catholics where labelled terrorists, in Europe the resistants where labelled terrorists during WWII.
There are no more terrorists in Iraq than in Iran or in any other arabic country.
The terrorists are a small part of fundamentalists muslims coming from various countries and financed by mostly ALL the islamic governments, including SA and Iran and Syria and Lybia but also some black african country and Indonesia not to mention malaysia.
My believe is that the only way to see the Iraqui situation coming back to 'normal' is to let them clear their own mess in between themselves.
Obviously the 'normal' situation could very possibly turn out to be unacceptable for us ( by 'us' I mean the G8 members) but the massive US military presence in the region will never solve the problem.
I don't see the Iraq war tu