You do have some very valid points I don't agree with LOL! In all seriousness though, you are missing one very important factor here. You may very well be a law abiding, tax paying, productive member of society today .. hell, you may even help old Mrs Johnson out with her garbage on Wednesday night for all I know .. BUT .

 

Hmmmm...intresting point. In the UK we had some nut shoot up a load of nursery kids some years back in Scotland. The goverment banned handguns out right in England. Since the Ban, gun crime in the UK has gone through the roof...dont blame the guns blame the people. Thats my theory, we had the police contact us a few months ago, the reason being someone got murdered with one of our knives. Everything was done legal from our end... But talking to the Cop I asked him y anyone would spend 100 pounds and then go carveup

Basically he replied back saying, he ( murderer)wantedto do it with a blade By the way it was made in the USA . If he could'nt get a blade, he would have got a axe from the local DIY, and so on. Being in the UK,my view is that the USA should never do what the UK did, as it made no diffrence at all, if anything crimegot worse. Blame the person never the weapon!

 

Agreed SD, but if that student in fact DID have a gun, and shot down theguy doing the killings ... ironically he's no longer "good" either if you want to look at it from an action/consequence aspect. So the second you use that gun, no matter how flippin good you are .. you're still a murderer just like the "bad" guy you killed ... Now what???

I don't argue the unfortunate need for guns and protection but it's a huge amount of trust put in to you for having the concealed carry permit. There is simply no way upon gawds green earth you can forsee your mental state down the road. I had a friend of mine kill himself not too long ago, a couple of years back. 6 months prior to that he was the life of the party so to speak .. a couple of bad turns with a divorce lawyer and his wife taking everything, including the kids he adored. He later found out he had cancer and was terminal, this on top of Hep. Now, he turned on himself after destroying most of his house in a rampage ... this probably being one of the nicest guys I've ever met, awesome with his kids, loved skydiving (and was my mentor for about a year) and the people that came with it ... Now .. should he have been allowed to own a gun or not!? And what if he had turned on his neighbor instead (he hated that b*tch lol) of himself, gunned her azz down .. To say it like Racerboy did to where only the "criminals" are the issue here is to ignore half the issue .. it's a simpleminded approach to a problem that deserves a far more thought through approach than to generalize bad/good ... people are not either or, they are both and they are neither ... you can't deal with blackor whites, you have to deal with black AND whites... gray scales are a construct of a feeble mind better left alone ... we all have good and bad in us .. people fail to see this and generalize entirely too much!

 

While I agree with you partially here, again, it's a generalized aspect. I DON'T think guns should be banned at all .. I think the controls we have in this country are outright ridiculous however. And the amount of guns produced and sold are downright atrocious! Who the hell needs 37 hand guns, and assault rifles? Unless you plan on going to waryou simply don't have any reasons for owning huge quantities of them like many at least I know do. If you limit what comes out from the manufacturer you limit what can end up on the black market ... and if you limit what gets out on the black market .. maybe, JUST MAYBE, one of those kids who got killed today would still be alive cuz this sonofab!tch couldn't get a hold of a handgun .. see my point here? It's a double edged sword, for sure ...

 

I agree Sam. The problem is they won't blame the shooter. Some people will find a way to blame the government or society for not finding a way to help this person before he did this. Some things are just too effed up to understand.


My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone involved in this horrible action.

 

There's no doubt who's to blame here, the guy pulling the trigger. Unfortunately there are more aspects of any incident than just the end result Black ... I in no way think it's the governments fault, the manufacturer of the weapons fault, or whoever made the bullets ... it's a clear cut case of lone gunman goes apesh!t .. unfortunately with an exceptionally abundant amount of "equipment" not only in this country but others as well ... well ... forgive me for saying this but ... if the gun wasn't apart of the equation .. the guy would've looked pretty f*cken stupid running around screaming "bang, you're dead" ... If anyone is to blame it's all of us for being for not being able to resolve an issue without resorting to violence .. then again, we're "cizivilized" ... allow me to vomit uncontrollably at that load of bull!!! LOL!

 

We can come up with a million situationswhy certain people shouldn't own guns and have used them to hurt themselves or somebody else, and as weaponsgalore put it there are a million different weapons people can use to kill, maim, injure, etc. I seem to remember where some fertilizer was used to blow up a building in Oklahoma City.

The bottom line is if people want to kill other people they will find a way to do it, and then me and the boys will hunt them down and put them behind bars, but I digress. People kill people and that is the bottom line. **** will happen and the only one to blame is the one who did the killing.

 

Very sad....

Campus Gun Ban Disarmed Virginia Victims
VA Tech has "blood on its hands" as gun control advocates milk tragic events
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones
Monday, April 16, 2007

A gun ban recently enforced by Virginia Tech campus prevented over thirty victims of today's mass shooting from defending themselves against the killer, and yet gun control advocates are already politicizing this morning's tragic events to pull the lever for mass gun control.
Virginia is a concealed carry state and yet Virginia Tech campus recently enforced a policy prohibiting "unauthorized possession, storage or control" of firearms on campus.
According to gun rights activists such as Aaron Zelman of Jews For The Preservation of Firearms, VA Tech has "blood on its hands" for disarming the victims and other students who could potentially have stopped the killer in his tracks in the three hour time period he was allowed to carry out his rampage by cowardly police who hid behind trees as the carnage ensued.
Reuters is already disseminating the talking points for an imminent propaganda coup against the Second Amendment, and yet it was the stripping of that right to bear arms that ensured today's death toll represents the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history.
"Advocates of wider gun controls said the availability of guns in the United States had made it easier for people to commit murder everywhere, including in schools and colleges," reports Reuters, with no mention of the fact that had the victims been allowed to exercise their concealed carry rights, the casualty figures may have been far lower.
Students at VA Tech are already slamming the pathetic response on behalf of the police, who locked down the school and sat back as the killer was able to carefully pick off his targets.
"What happened today this was ridiculous. And I don't know what happened or what was going through this guy's mind," student Jason Piatt told CNN. "But I'm pretty outraged and I'll say on the record I'm pretty outraged that someone died in a shooting in a dorm at 7 o'clock in the morning and the first e-mail about it — no mention of locking down campus, no mention of canceling classes — they just mention that they're investigating a shooting two hours later at 9:22."
He added: "That's pretty ridiculous and meanwhile, while they're sending out that e-mail, 22 more people got killed."

 

Yeah, that's another great approach ... let them kill THEN we do something .. like put them in jail .. hell ... we can put all of their kind in the same place, dump a crap load of guns and ammo in there and problem solved right!? The problem is never dealt with, only responded to ... very simple logic in effect here!

 

Alrighty then Zyne...since you have they key on how to save the world...why don't you lay it out for us here. You have obviously thought this through and have some solution that the rest of the world has overlooked...so lay it on us. How do we stop people from killing people?