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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/10/2006 6:27:37 PM
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blackstangs281
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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/10/2006 6:53:29 PM
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blackstangs281
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This could be a job for...............................GREENBLADE
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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/10/2006 9:59:42 PM
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Those videos are too much! My husband enjoyed them too
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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/11/2006 10:08:44 AM
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Greenblade
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ORIGINAL: blackstangs281
This could be a job for...............................GREENBLADE
jeeps are about to be: 
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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/11/2006 10:25:41 AM
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no, but seriously, H24fun, the jeep thing doesn't just end at t-shirts. They have probably 1000 threads on 100 different forums (every other thread on basically every forum, eventually, winds up with jeepers obsessing about hummers), they have staged videos, magazine reviews that freak out for 3 pages about how much hummers cost, and on and on and on. They have threads celebrating keying hummers and condoning keying hummers. Moderators on jeep forums are sometimes among the worst of the lot.
Its nuts.
But... i think mostly its a certain segment of jeepers, and most jeepers are extremely nice guys. They have cool trucks, so i'd guess most of them are just happy to toodle around.
And i think the basic shrinkology behind it is just a good old-fashioned inferiority complex. The offroad world, before hummers, probably consisted of a few jeep and the occasional toyota or suzuki or whatever, all modified, all basically the same, all worth about $5k. H1s were so rare and eclectic that they were probably as much a novelty presence as a competitive one. Then all of a sudden the H2 hits the streets and you probably had, i don't know, some wall street guys drinkin & driving down a stream somewhere with their wall-street girlfriends. Sort of breaks up the routine for the offroad gang.
Perhaps what was once a modest-mans sport suddenlly had a well-heeled and glossy content that wasn't dedicated to it - they were just out to mess about for a day. (nobody can take offense to that, i grew up as poor as anybody who might read this thread, but via that childhood, i have seen many times the attitude of people towards the "rich". Not that you have to be rich to drive an H2, but richer than you do to drive a beat up old heep)
The other part of the psychology behind "the jeep thing" is that people are sheep. We, all of us, tend to jump on bandwagons once they get rolling. So maybe every jeeper that couldn't afford a hummer - as people, including me, often react to things out of their grasp - wanted tos ay something bad about hummers. And when one person did, and they didn't get slapped, another did. And then another, and then...
...like bellbottoms, the hula hoop, and disco, it just became the in thing. i hypothesized about the hummer hysteria on the H2 board once, and i still stand by my thoughts.
But don't worry, it won't last. Hummers, and H2s (now that the H1 is gone), are the best stock offroad vehicles on the planet. The Rubicon is a great truck, and its little, which would let it sneak some places a hummer wouldn't fit, and give it easier choices on others, and so it would at tiems perform better. And hummers are big and wide and can go up alot of hills that would flip lil jeeps, and hummers will at times perform better as well.
It won't last, because it isn't true (H2s are awesome offroad), and because eventually even the most irrational mouth is silenced by a steady dose of reality. And it won't last because eventually lynch-mobs and witch-burning drugged-up salemites ... well, eventually fires burn out.
But for now, the H2 fire is still pretty toasty.
< Message edited by Greenblade -- 7/17/2006 2:47:16 AM >
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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/11/2006 12:38:46 PM
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I used to own several Jeeps. And so did my fiancee', but when we went to drive the H3 she hit the nail on the head, "It's a bigger, better Jeep". I don't totally agree because Hummer doesn't make a vehicle that is in direct competition with the Wrangler(soft-top, 2 door, etc.) but as far as the rest of their line-up, I do have to agree. We haven't had the H3 off-road yet, so we are still a little unsure of its capabilites outside of the dealers test track. Therefore, I enjoy the company off-road and laugh off any resentment.
I will say however, before we bought our H3 there was a certain prickish stigma that came with owning or driving a Hummer. I plan on defying that generalization and being as nice as possible to any person I meet on the trail.
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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/11/2006 1:09:28 PM
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Greenblade
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I will say however, before we bought our H3 there was a certain prickish stigma that came with owning or driving a Hummer. I plan on defying that generalization and being as nice as possible to any person I meet on the trail.
but, is that prickish stigma a function of hummer drivers or a complex about having a big expensive truck out there?
for the most part, i think the jeep guys go on the offensive and its only rarely that i've seen hummer people rip jeeps in posts. probably i do more than anybody else, but i don't mean ill by it, i just mean to call a spade a spade (with respect to the hummer/jeep thing being about cash and assumptions more than capability of hummers or the behvaior of their owners).
Basically, i just ask this: is there any basis for jeep guys thinking hummer guys are snobs, or did the jeep/hummer thing get created purely on assumption and envy from the other camp?
obviously i wasn't there for all of the origins, but i tend to think the latter.
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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/11/2006 1:32:28 PM
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Jake
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That stigma came from several run-ins with people that drive or were driving their Hummers. I had an incident with 2 H2 owners while off-road. They had no respect for anyone else, were extremely intoxicated, and trashed(tried to cut donuts, ran over a fence, and left their trash everywhere) the private land that the owner had let us use. On several other occasions Hummers, H1's, H2's and H3's in traffic have just driven without regard for anyone else. I know these isolated incidents don't reflect the group as a whole, but would certainly put off an unnerving aura about the people that drive this particular brand of vehicle to someone who hasn't seen any good.
And as I saw in another thread, you generally only see the negative side of things.
With that in mind I have had several good experiences too. I based my own opinion on the good versus the bad experiences I have had, and do not have the same feelings I had before.
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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/11/2006 2:40:29 PM
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Greenblade
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ORIGINAL: Jake
That stigma came from several run-ins with people that drive or were driving their Hummers. I had an incident with 2 H2 owners while off-road. They had no respect for anyone else, were extremely intoxicated, and trashed(tried to cut donuts, ran over a fence, and left their trash everywhere) the private land that the owner had let us use. On several other occasions Hummers, H1's, H2's and H3's in traffic have just driven without regard for anyone else. I know these isolated incidents don't reflect the group as a whole, but would certainly put off an unnerving aura about the people that drive this particular brand of vehicle to someone who hasn't seen any good.
And as I saw in another thread, you generally only see the negative side of things.
With that in mind I have had several good experiences too. I based my own opinion on the good versus the bad experiences I have had, and do not have the same feelings I had before.
Hi jake,
its unfortunate that you had a run-in with some negative folks.
if the bolded comment was meant as you=greenblade, i'm sorry i come/came across that way. I don't think that my comments are generally or necessarily ever negative or positive, but i do guess i don't try to gloss them over. I'm sure that some folks don't like my over-pondering, but i don't mean to offend. If you'd like to point out a specific, i'd be happy to address.
otherwise take it easy & welcome to the wild & wacky world of hummers
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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/11/2006 3:03:43 PM
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Jake
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No, no, not directing the bolded comment at you, at all! I am saying from the Jeep side. When we were coming into contact with people who drove Hummers, I didn't want you to think all we ever had were negative experiences. I wanted to communicate that not all of those were negative some were indeed positive.
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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/11/2006 3:25:16 PM
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Greenblade
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No, no, not directing the bolded comment at you, at all! I am saying from the Jeep side. When we were coming into contact with people who drove Hummers, I didn't want you to think all we ever had were negative experiences. I wanted to communicate that not all of those were negative some were indeed positive.
i got you. just wanted to say i didn't mean harm in case.
i think quite a bit about internet and posting, and while i guess one is more or less as anonymous as you choose to be here, at the same time i think about all the attention hummers draw, and how probably these hummer forums draw just as much from lord-knows-who.
often i think the neatest thing would be to find groups of folks to go hit some of these famous trials with - certainly experienced folks couldn't hurt ones cause on the trail, and company is good. But i also often think that this jeep/hummer, h1vsh2, and so on and so forth... does it end at the real world? I mean, is all the bickering and insults and craziness just online or are people really thsi nuts in the real world too?
i guess all the competitiveness and machismo surrounding the online offroading thing sort of contrasts my real-world offroading experiences. its usually fun, sometimes scary, and mostly just really really relaxing. In a way, its as perplexing as finding yoga web sites full of insults and rivalries. but, hey, maybe yoga websites are just like it, lol
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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/11/2006 3:36:59 PM
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Jake
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I completely agree. 99% of my off-road experiences have been great. Everybody is there for the goodtimes, no matter what they drive. It's the 1%ers that can turn a great time upside down.
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