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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/11/2006 3:57:12 PM
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Greenblade
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hey, i accidentally blocked you. i didn't even know that could happen.
i have had one bad experience where i'm pretty sure a couple of other guys "helping out" were trying to get the H2 in a jam. i ultimately just parted ways headed another direction... but i guess it did make me wonder if sometimes this stuff does spill out onto the trails.
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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/11/2006 4:23:28 PM
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Jake
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Thats just down right dangerous. Letting brand of vehicles get in the way of safety off-road is juvenile to the point of being criminal. I would hope to never find an occurrence of that out in the wild.
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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/11/2006 9:13:36 PM
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H24fun
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Thanks for all the great responses to my question...some very interesting points, indeed. I haven't encountered any negative reactions from anyone, but then I only have my H2(which I affectionately dubbed "the tank")for about a week...so it's early. I try to be friendly and courteous when I'm on the road so as to quell any misconception people may have about Hummer owners.
One of my good friends and a co-worker of mine...loved "the tank" so much, she's now shopping for one to replace her JEEP CHEROKEE
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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/11/2006 10:03:27 PM
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Greenblade
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the tank, that's pretty good.
a friend of mine started calling mine "the short bus" but i had guilt about that as there's a shortbus with a membership here.
the whole ruckus and competitiveness among the offroad community has sort of left me with the biggest urge to 'wheel with people i know. if i crash, i crash, but it'll be at the hands of me and a spotter i nkow wants my truck to go home in one piece, not some jeep nut trying to get a picture to post alongside that tie rod video.
lol
but the H2 has some kind of mojo, that's for sure. i can't imagine anything else on wheels that could generate such a wave...
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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/12/2006 5:28:20 AM
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Greenblade
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ORIGINAL: Jake
No, no, not directing the bolded comment at you, at all! I am saying from the Jeep side. When we were coming into contact with people who drove Hummers, I didn't want you to think all we ever had were negative experiences. I wanted to communicate that not all of those were negative some were indeed positive.
A thought that came to me over the morning java:
I've wondered at times if the jeep/hummer thing isn't basically about money. I can't imagine that the typical hummer driver had anything against jeeps before all the insanity (or probably even after all the anti-hummer insanity from jeepers, its very interesting, and its fun to poke back, but does it really bug anybody?). Questions of money and social status can often result in the "rich guy" getting judged harshly.
For example, if somebody in a pinto pulls up to the bar and George says hi, and pinto-man doesn't respond, george might just think "what is he, deaf?"
But if a guy in a Maybach pulls up & sits next to George, also not responding, George might be more prone to thinking "a-hole, thinks he's too good for me"
certainly the maybach guy would be more likely to be judged a snob than the pinto guy.
And i think the same thing comes into play with hummers.
So i ask - if somebody showed up with a brand-new shiny Rubicon or Grand Cherocar w/all the options... would they perhaps get the same reaction but to a lesser degree?
Please note, i'm not saying that hummer drivers have never done wrong, i'm just observing that its unlikely that the reaction among the jeep (and some other, but notably not land rover, offroading communities) community is realistic or rational. more emotional & competitive.
I note that i have not seen continuous streams of hummer hysteria on land rover sites. In fact, i think most of the land rover-vs-hummer stuff i've seen on the web isn't by land rover guys. its other guys (not hummer or LR) saying LRs are so much better.
But, then, you could get a land rover valet parked & take it to broadway, couldn't you? I think there's a distinct correlation there.
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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/12/2006 12:52:06 PM
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Greenblade
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to add one to that as well.
jake, whoever else has had a bad experience, its too bad that bad things happen, and i'm sure they do, and i'm sure sometimes at the hands of a hummer guy/gal.
but what is seen on jeep forums and the like is a systematic indictment of anything hummer that isn't alot unlike the KKK in the 60's. Sweeping condemnation and insult of people based on their choice of truck. And, generally, whenever somebody makes broad generalizations that are very negative or condemning, you have to wonder what's really going on, because its unlikely that any group is "all bad".
hence i really struggle to believe that the jeep/hummer thing is about anything sensible or tangible or rational or reasonable, and tend to guesstimate that its more class warfare on an emotional level.
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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/12/2006 1:17:25 PM
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Jake
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I don't know that it is an issue of those who have not versus those who have, that would be far too easy. On some levels it may just be they believe that people spend a supposed ton of money on something that claims to be all about off-roading, and yet a very small percentage will actually use that capability. That would be a broad generalization they can't really make based on the aformentioned theory. I do not belong to any Jeep forums, but if they are lambasting Hummer owners simply because, that in itself shows a marked level of ignorance.
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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/12/2006 8:13:08 PM
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Greenblade
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Jake
I don't know that it is an issue of those who have not versus those who have, that would be far too easy.
yeah, it isn't as simple as that. I entered some thoughts about my take on how hummers came to be under such scrutiny on the H2 board if you're interested. i won't risk boring everybody with a repeat.
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On some levels it may just be they believe that people spend a supposed ton of money on something that claims to be all about off-roading, and yet a very small percentage will actually use that capability. That would be a broad generalization they can't really make based on the aformentioned theory.
but.  i bet its as high or higher % of H2s offroad than Grand Cherocars or new Wranglers or Land Rovers of any type. And if i was wrong (and there's no way i am about the GCherokee), nobody knows that i'm wrong. And again, like much with the H2, the "reality" that its all non-offroading soccer moms is at least as much repeating what one has read many times as it is observation of actualities. I probably see 50 or 100 Wranglers every day here in the summer. They are like ants, absolutely everywhere. I've seen non-street tires on less than 10 total, and i've only seen one rubicon on the streets.
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I do not belong to any Jeep forums, but if they are lambasting Hummer owners simply because, that in itself shows a marked level of ignorance.
well search "hummer vs jeep" or "hummer offroad" or whatever it is, and usually it leads to jeep forums ragging on hummers. I've never tried to find that stuff, its just (more often than not) what pops up when you search for anything about hummers.
I think its a shame jeepers don't have a better attitude, in the end it'll only hurt everybody in the offroad community.
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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/13/2006 12:26:59 AM
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Linus Gump
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Way F***ing Cool!
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RE: Jeep v Hummer - 7/17/2006 3:05:58 AM
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Greenblade
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i re-read my posts above, and edited one.
i saw this thread and thought i'd take a look, and i did, and such.
It might be fun to have one post,a nd constnatly edit it to include links to hummer-hate from jeep guys. I find that stuff interesting. The most interesting part is how little most people know about the truck. You see people argue that it has no lockers, or that it doesn't have low range, or that the clearance is less than a liberty, and on and on.
If i opted to make such a thread, i guess i'd have to say up-front that i can't really spare the time to actively search for the stuff... but basically anything you might search for about the H2 will lead to a jeep thread within a page or 3 of google, lol. And, second, i'd do it as a question of curiosity, not of combativeness or whatever.
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