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More mileage for Hummers? - 6/30/2006 1:22:51 PM
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dilo2001gt
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More mileage for Hummers?
DETROIT - With inventories of the Hummer H2 and H3 piling up amid high gas prices, two Detroit area Hummer dealerships are getting creative about boosting fuel efficiency. But the move has raised the eyebrows of General Motors Corp. and Hummer brand brass.
Detroit Hummer and Hummer of Novi are trying to woo consumers with what they call the "Mileage Maximizer," a mechanical modification they claim helps the hulking vehicles get 25 miles per gallon in highway driving. By comparison, an unaltered H3 gets 19 to 20 miles per gallon on the highway, according to Hummer spokesman Nick Richards.
The improvements come at a price, though. GM and Hummer officials haven't endorsed the adjustments, and say they may not honor the warranties on the altered vehicles. advertisement
Even so, the promotion has helped ignite H2 and H3 sales at the two Detroit area locations, says Gary Krupa, general manager of Hummer of Novi. The dealerships are charging customers $189.95 for the "Mileage Maximizer." Mr. Krupa says they sold about a dozen modified Hummers in the first three weeks of the promotion. The chain is now considering modifying vehicles at other Detroit-area Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge stores it owns "within the next month or so," according to Russ Reimer, the service director who runs the service shops at both Hummer dealerships.
The modification uses a device manufactured by Air Synergy Labs Inc., one of hundreds of aftermarket parts companies across the country that are using homegrown methods to try to boost fuel efficiency. Spencer Robley, chairman and president of the Las Vegas-based company says his company's product - which it calls a "Vortex Valve" - can help drivers increase fuel efficiency as much as 30 percent, though he concedes there's no official verification of that claim. "Federal, state, local (government agencies), nobody will certify anything that has to do with us," Robley says. "Nobody wants to hang their hat on it and certify anything that has to do with mileage." The company says it has sold 120,000 valves since they launched the product in 1998; the Detroit area stores are the first car dealers to feature it.
According to Synergy Labs, the valve works by rechanneling and increasing the air that goes into a vehicle's intake manifold, allowing more oxygen to be present during engine combustion. As a result, the company claims, fuel is burned more efficiently. Mr. Robley says the technology can be used in any vehicle's engine and with any kind of fuel, including petroleum, hydrogen, and ethanol.
Hummer's Richards says that while GM hasn't had a chance to examine the vehicles, the company generally advises consumers and dealers against making tweaks. "We spend years optimizing everything for performance, ride and handling, overall vehicle efficiency, durability and long-term reliability and to meet current and future emission standards," he says. "We've got a lot of very smart engineers who have been doing this for their entire lives. If it were that simple, they would have already discovered it."
John Millett, a spokesman for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, which regulates vehicle emissions, says the agency isn't aware of the Hummer promotion in Michigan, but warns that attempts to boost fuel economy can sometimes increase vehicle emissions. "It's safe to say, in general, that in any situation, tampering with the emissions controls devices on any vehicle certified by the EPA is against the law," Millett says.
Reimer at the Hummer dealerships contends that "if you are burning the gas better, you are actually creating (fewer) emissions. ... We've had some customers already call us back and say they have seen an improvement."
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RE: More mileage for Hummers? - 6/30/2006 4:15:32 PM
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hummerific
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interesting story
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RE: More mileage for Hummers? - 6/30/2006 5:21:57 PM
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that is an interesting story.
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RE: More mileage for Hummers? - 6/30/2006 8:20:55 PM
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Linus Gump
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The company I drive for put advertisements for those on the back of our trucks. I bought one for both the H3 and my Corolla. I saw no improvement or detriment to my fuel economy. I tried them where they said to put them, in other places in the intake system and both forwards and backwards. No dice on any attempt. Oh yeah, I also only paid $130 for both with free shipping. I sent them back, and after about 2 months, I got a check in the mail for a full refund.
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RE: More mileage for Hummers? - 6/30/2006 10:06:25 PM
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dilo2001gt
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GOOD TO KNOW LINUS THANKS
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RE: More mileage for Hummers? - 7/1/2006 4:50:25 PM
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blackstangs281
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Here's a Question.............If you do something like this, or add a filter kit, exhaust, or even a bottle of fuel cleaner, does the computer still give you the correct MPG? I know it goes off the float for the fuel used, but how does the DIC figure MPG ? It is so quick to read when you reset it, and due to the fuel moving around, it can't be off the miles ran and float alone.......???????
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RE: More mileage for Hummers? - 7/1/2006 6:45:54 PM
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Linus Gump
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ORIGINAL: zibby
Did it look like this "ebay crap"?
Better Gas Mileage Hummer H1/H2/H3 +MPG
Yeah, the thing I bought was similar, but the vanes all met in the center.
I do my own fuel milage tracking with a pen and paper and a calculator to ensure the math is correct. I also go to three places past the decimal to ensure my part is as accurate as it can be from using pump meters that are not tempreture calibrated, and the trip meter for mileage.
I would be willing to bet that the engine PCM does the calculating for the fuel economy based on engine load demands and vehicle speed, not off the fuel level sending unit.
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RE: More mileage for Hummers? - 7/1/2006 7:03:44 PM
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blackstangs281
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ORIGINAL: Dennis
I'm confused..Where did you see the MPG readout on the DIC?
I don't know if the H3 has it, but the H2 has a MPH readout..........Just wondering how it would work.
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RE: More mileage for Hummers? - 7/2/2006 12:37:04 AM
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CruisinCarAudio
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someone is making money on crap
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RE: More mileage for Hummers? - 7/4/2006 3:36:55 AM
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Greenblade
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I've been contemplating some things like this. Airraid, blah blah blah. The local airraid dealer is a hummer guy (on his 2nd H2) and his sales-dude stated taht they got 8 initially with the first H2, and after breakin, Airraid intake, throttle spacer, a computer chip, and some exhaust, got 16. The sales speech was "see, car makers always go with the smallest cheapest possible, barely adequate stuff"
But here's the thing - the H2 already has a massive intake system that's certainly not the cheapest barely adequate anything, and more horsies than any incarnation of this engine except the Escalade. It has much more power than my pickup, which has the same engine, and mostly NOBODY HAS ANY DATA ON THIS STUFF, especially for mileage. K&N has an informal-looking dyno graph showing a faint horsepower increase at like 4500 rpm, and that's about it.
If something works, the people that make it generally test it in fairly short order in as formal of a way as possible. If it works, you've nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Now, take a 30 year old pickup - that could probably really benefit from this sort of thing. Take a brand new H2... i don't know. The cold air intakes advertise plastic boxes and have seals to go against the hood... The H2s intake box is plastic, and huge, and vents only to the outside of the engine compartment. I can't see how it doesn't have a colder air intake than the aftermarket stuff.
So while i'd like another MPG or 2, i think i'm leaving well enough alone and running my engine stock.
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