RE: How E85 demand has changed my community
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RE: How E85 demand has changed my community - 7/28/2007 9:01:20 PM
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HummBob
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Holy crap........................I had to piss twice and eat once throughout that post.
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RE: How E85 demand has changed my community - 7/29/2007 6:20:50 AM
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JDJoe
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Linus, you're right - like I said, it's not "The One" answer, but it's better than what we do today. I haven't checked out the world corn prices to see the effect yet, but if our E85 production is having an effect on world corn, it's only because of the hype about it and not the actual use so far. We're the only country doing corn-based E85 and we're really not making much. Now, as the use proliferates, there's sure to be an impact, but hopefully, that's when we incorporate some other ethanol sources to balance things out.
Obviously, fuel cells seem to hold some great long term potential, as could plug in hybrids, but I think the key for the future is that we have to FIRST move away from our one-mode infrastructure with respect to vehicle fueling... One of the drawbacks for anything other than gas and diesel is that gas stations don't have the equipment for it and won't put the equipment in until enough people want it to make it worthwhile. That's why E85 is so good, since you can put cars on the road today that don't use it, but once you get a critical mass of those vehicles on the road, it makes sense for gas stations to look into it. There's was a lot of research into hydrogen power over the last 20 years, but the biggest problem with it is refueling - it's hard to store, hard to transfer, and it's not available anywhere, so unless you have a car that runs on both hydrogen and gas, you're going to have to have a hydrogen tank at your house to fill up your car and you better not drive too far from home...
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RE: How E85 demand has changed my community - 8/2/2007 10:14:03 AM
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I think there are many alternatives that can create a colloboration of fuel sources that would reduce our dependance on foreign oil. E-85 wont solve our problem, but it will help with a big part of it. There are many many alternative fuels out there.
I never understood the hybrid concept, batteries are very hard to dispose of and very dangerous to not only people (firefighers or rescue workers) but also to the enviroment.
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RE: How E85 demand has changed my community - 12/28/2007 9:56:27 PM
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Leicajh
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What I have noticed here in North Texas is lots of capped oil wells are being worked, and put back into production. I guess the price is/or will be what will make a profit for these stripper wells.
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RE: How E85 demand has changed my community - 12/29/2007 8:57:31 AM
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E85 FUEL INFORMATION From the U.S. Department of Energy Handbook for Handling, Storing & Dispensing E85 – “As concerns about rising gasoline prices and dependence on foreign oil increase, Americans are looking for alternative fuels like ethanol. Ethanol is better for the environment, is domestically produced, and its use supports farmers and rural communities. Ethanol is produced mainly from corn grown in the Midwest. One bushel of corn (approximately 56 pounds) produces 2.7 gallons of ethanol. Ethanol can also be produced from cheese whey, spilled beer and dated soda. Because ethanol can be produced from crops, it is classified as a renewable fuel. By switching to ethanol fuels and advanced vehicle technologies, vehicle owners are achieving both energy security and cleaner air.” This creates problems for vehicles without the advanced vehicle technology if someone tries to use fuel with levels of ethanol higher than 10%. The fuel systems problems seen in the automotive aftermarket today are created by some misguided efforts to save a buck at the gas pump, and are actually costing the users more than they know. Let’s look at some of the facts from the United States of America’s own Department of Energy Handbook for Handling, Storing, and Dispensing E85. The following facts are excerpts from this DOE handbook. There are two basic types of ethanol fuels in use today: E10* and E85*. “By definition the E10 fuel is a small amount of ethanol (10% by volume) added to the gasoline we put in our vehicles in order to fulfill federal oxygenate requirements, add octane, and greatly extend the petroleum fuel supply. E10 is a widely available vehicle fuel and can be run in vehicles with or without the Flex fuel equipment options.” E85 fuel is a much higher concentration of ethanol (85% by volume) added to the gasoline. “E85 fuel requires vehicles that have been specifically designed as flexible fuel vehicles (FFVs), which can run on either gasoline or E85 fuel.” “E85 fuel needs more fuel per pound of air than gasoline for proper combustion; therefore, E85 cannot be used in conventional vehicles” - - because non-flex fuel vehicles are not equipped to identify the ethanol content of the fuel and properly adjust the injection and ignition systems for the required stoichiometric fuel-to-air ratio. “One gallon of E85 contains 27% less energy than one gallon of gasoline.”
As with all liquid fuels, it is vitally important that proper fuel handling techniques be practiced to prevent fuel contamination. Certain materials commonly used with gasoline are totally incompatible with alcohols. When these materials (such as aluminum) come into contact with ethanol, they may dissolve in the fuel, which may damage engine parts and may result in poor vehicle driveability. Even if parts do not fail, running an ethanol-fueled vehicle with contaminated fuel may cause deposits that could eventually harm the engine.” “Some materials become degraded by contact with fuel ethanol blends having high alcohol concentrations. Zinc, brass, lead and a
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RE: How E85 demand has changed my community - 12/29/2007 11:05:04 AM
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GorillaH2
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E85 seems like a viable source of fuel no matter what the motherf**kin american gvernemnt thinks or says....I am thining of adapting my H2 for E85 but there are no E85 stations in my area, Has anyone thought about E100?
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RE: How E85 demand has changed my community - 12/29/2007 2:16:55 PM
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Guy running my place in Texas asked if he could switch from coastal hay to corn in the pastures. Guess I need to think about it.
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