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RE: Press ONE for English? - 6/25/2007 10:03:29 AM
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ZYNE
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Re-read my post above Mikey..I pretty much put that arguement to shame..
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when the English colonist left the English oppression to settle and develop this land, the so-called Native people were in fact immigrants themselves (look it up). There was no one unified language and therefore, there was no unified country, sorta like how Europe still is today..
That's just the definition of "country" Den ... I'm sure the Indians looked at things just a wee bit different than we did at the time. In fact, they never "owned" the land like we do, they were apart of it. They don't have or didn't have I should say, that concept like we did back then and still do today.
Stating the lack of a unified language as a root cause of a non unified country I think is to greatly simplify things. Look at Canada for example, they have two languages and they are VERY much a unified country with established borders. Many European countries have several "native" languages as well, and yes, they are unified countries. I don't think your argument holds up here. However, with this said you can draw another line instead. No unified governement, no set laws, no set currency, NOW we're talking about things that definie a country .. well that and a couple of borders. Once a Government has been put in place, of any kind, militia, dictatorship, democracy, whatever, that is more of a defining instance than language. That is an indicator of a ruling instace, a set of common rules/laws we abide to, whether it's based on fear as in a dictatorship or militia, or based on .. well fear of going to priso for example, is not relevant ....
I can NOT believe I'm tootin' the governement horn here, I should be shot on principle for even thinking it!!!!!!!!! *bleh* I need to scrub my fingers with bleech to get the stench out of em !!!! LOL!!!!
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RE: Press ONE for English? - 6/25/2007 10:30:50 AM
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I personally don't believe anybody in this world has the right to tell anybody else how to live their lives because there are no "rules" when you are born as to what you can and can't say, do or not do and the whole thought of another human being in the world having any kind of right to tell you what your rights are is rediculous, since the world didn't start out that way, but unfortunately has progressed over time that way. We are all human beings and some of the rules people are forced to live by all over the world are just abserd, and people these days, meaning governments, have gotten so carried away that they believe they are Gods, dictating how and what you do and what you say and so forth. The whole idea and theory behind it is rediculous. Crimes should be punishable but some are absurd.
I still like my Tea theory  Maybe the world should all speak a unified Pig Latin and we will all laugh ourselves silly.
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RE: Press ONE for English? - 6/25/2007 11:11:17 AM
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Did I just read what I think I just read!? Did you just dog the concept of government!?!?!! In that case ... allow me ... THERE'S HOPE FOR US ALL, STILL!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!
All I gotto say is .. people don't start war .... governments do! And you're right, there's just that little itty bitty issue of the god complex bit .... that and craming their pockets as full of money as possible before they leave office. Pick a "democracy" anywhere in the world and you'll see it going on ...
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RE: Press ONE for English? - 6/25/2007 12:12:10 PM
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This getting too deep..
But I will say my point about the colonist and the Native people is an example that had nothing to do with government setting political boarders or laws but more of a cultural thing and how it keep the Native peoples so far apart in their thinking and traditions..So it is a sound argument, I beg your pardon...We white folk would not be on these new fangled computers had the Indians been more unified culturally...And don't kid yourself, the Indians had very well defined boundaries to their claimed territories... Europe is a Hodge podge of countries that can ALL fit in the State of Texas, but if they were unified they would not be countries, but something like States...So your point on that is mute.
< Message edited by Dennis -- 6/25/2007 2:06:45 PM >
(inside joke)
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RE: Press ONE for English? - 6/25/2007 12:33:18 PM
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This getting too deep..
But I will say my point about the colonist and the Native people is an example that had nothing to do with government setting political boarders or laws but more of a cultural thing and how it keep the Native peoples so far apart in their thinking and traditions..So it is a sound argument, I beg your pardon...We white folk would not be on these new fangled computers had the Indians been more unified culturally...And don't kid yourself, the Indians had very well defined boundaries to their claimed territories... Europe is a Hodge podge of countries that can ALL fit in the State of Texas, but if they were unified they would not be countries, but something like States...So your point on that is mute.
LMAO!!!!!!!! Europe as a whole does not fit in the state of Texas, you are severly misinformed there my friend. I'm attaching an image of it just to avoid confusion. Note, this does not factor in greenland which belongs to Denmark last time I checked, it also does not factor in parts of russia and the baltic states which also are a part of Europe.
My point is not mute, you made it invalid by changing what it is to suit your own argument. It is in fact a bunch of separate countries. Many of these with more than one language as native tongue. Again, very much like Canada. Any group of countries made in to one will become a lot like the United States, that goes without saying. But since that is not the case, it is in fact your point that is mute here my friend :-)
And as far as the indian bit goes I think we've all heard the story with the beads and manhattan and how they did not have a concept of OWNING the land rather than being apart of it. Yes, there were teritories between rivaling tribes and yes they were well defined. This does not imply ownership in our sense of the word. You look at any kind of nature religion that has it's roots eons before "civilized" man showed up and you will see the majority of them were symbiotic relationships between man and nature, not an ownership relationship.
And governement is a corner stone in the evolution of a country ... if not I guess the United States existed long before we put our WHITE government in power here, just in a very distributed fashion. A government unifies the country under common laws, common regulations, and so forth. This is the business end of a country and a necessity to generate revenue to further improve the infrastructure such as roads, running water, drainage etc etc. While language unify PEOPLE, government unify people and country. Look at Birka, biggest city in the north during the viking age. There was NO unified language but it had a strong set of common values, laws, trade laws, and so forth and considering that place had in the neighborhood of a million folks in and outside the city I'd say that's a unity of a large number of people (considering it was 1,000 years ago now). There's a difference .. you can unite people for which it requires common communication rules, language, or you can unite people and create a nation, for this you need governement. People can not self govern themselves and work for a common set of goals, it's not in our nature. If that was the case socialism and communism would be the only set of political ideologies we have. Instead we have capitalism, where we all fend for ourselves, not the greater good. That's why we have government, it's for them to handle (and whether they do is a matter of opinion). Look at Somalia for example, their government is non existent, do you think they are doing a good job self governing themselves? Seems to me they are too busy killing each other instead. Government is an unfortunate necessity ... no matter how yo
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RE: Press ONE for English? - 6/25/2007 12:52:51 PM
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Did I ever tell you two that you are the brother and father I wish I always never wanted
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RE: Press ONE for English? - 6/25/2007 1:04:45 PM
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Where is that damn "Smiley eating popcorn" link when I need it
Nick is one of the VERY FEW people I have met in my life that you can have a constructive arguement with and have him not get upset at you. You my friend, are on the list also
Example:
Nick: Man, screw you, my mistress has WAY bigger feet then yours.........
Mike: No way dude, my blow up doll is HALF (times one) the woman you are.......
Nick: Man F you........................................................wanna go to lunch?
Mike: OK.
Anybody want to tell me to shut up yet?
\/ The following statement is for you Dennis.............\/
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RE: Press ONE for English? - 6/25/2007 1:12:43 PM
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ZYNE
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Okay..so you wanna be exact and literal, or are rhetorical examples hard for you to grasp?..About Half the size of the US then (including Alaska and Hawaii, last time I looked)..for crying out loud...So why have 100 different languages and countries, when one big one is much more efficient? Where has that gotten them? Are they any better off..the smartest thing that was done finally to make things simpler was adopting the Euro currency. Has the European economy proven to be the best in the world..I think not..So why did so many of you Europeans beat a path to the Shores here then?..And one small section of Canada wants it their way and keeping it French doesn't qualify if for the whole country as having two languages..The only reason your points are mute is because you failed to see what I was saying, and tried to spin your point of view to be based on POLITICAL boundaries and not cultural...your point is still mute on that basis My friend.
LMAO!!! I lived in the european union Den, it had no positive impact on Sweden at all. The majority of big business moved elsewhere, instead we got big business from other countries. The euro was never adopted in Sweden because it would have ruined the economy back them. So before you state that's the smartest thing ever done, take a long hard look at the facts before you make these statements. Some countries would have been in RUINS financially if they had adopted it because of THEIR financial situation. The pipe dream of "United States Of Europe" simply isn't doable. We have too much baggage in the form of eastern european countries with limping economies. Who should pay for this!? You mistake a common currency for a common economy, that is NOT the case here. It's a bill back structure my friend, countries PAY the european union to be members ...
The Euro has NOT made the currence exchange easier. In fact there were articles regarding that very thing stating the opposite. Some countries have adopted it, others have not. In many cases they now have TWO currencies instead of one ... much like the languages ... hows THAT for unifying things huh!? :-)
No, my points are mute because they don't agree with yours, that's more honest :P And yes, a small PART of Canada does in fact want to be French .. why I don't know but that's their problem. However, with that said, it is STILL a part of CANADA thus Canada has TWO native tongues, French and English ... spin that around as you wish, it doesn't change the facts here hehehe
And for the record, political boundaries are nothing but cultural boundaries, one is a part of the other and the other is a necessity for the first. Politics and culture climate are close knit ... You don't think actions such as choppin a hand off for theft is just political, it's a cultural thing as well ... and without the politics to back them up it wouldn't exist to being with.
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RE: Press ONE for English? - 6/25/2007 1:15:35 PM
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Before anyone gets their tail in a knot..Nick and I are having a gentlemanly discussion...it's all good in my book.
Hell yeah .. I ain't even got an elevated pulse here .. just some friendly intelligent jabbing as far as I'm concerned :-)
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RE: Press ONE for English? - 6/25/2007 1:19:21 PM
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ZYNE
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Where is that damn "Smiley eating popcorn" link when I need it
Nick is one of the VERY FEW people I have met in my life that you can have a constructive arguement with and have him not get upset at you. You my friend, are on the list also
Example:
Nick: Man, screw you, my mistress has WAY bigger feet then yours.........
Mike: No way dude, my blow up doll is HALF (times one) the woman you are.......
Nick: Man F you........................................................wanna go to lunch?
Mike: OK.
Anybody want to tell me to shut up yet?
\/ The following statement is for you Dennis.............\/
I just want to make one thing very clear here .. I've NEVER had that very conversation with Mike ... LOL!!!!! But you are right, I don't get upset because of disagreements or people chosing to see things differently .. it's name calling and personal attacks I can't stand ....
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RE: Press ONE for English? - 6/25/2007 1:37:22 PM
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And yes, a small PART of Canada does in fact want to be French .. why I don't know but that's their problem.
I can't WAIT for Bob to comment on this one
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