RE: UPDATE: Front-end Rattle...Any Suggestions?
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RE: UPDATE: Front-end Rattle...Any Suggestions? - 8/6/2007 1:46:45 PM
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dmb7280
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"packing it full of grease" is the technical term GM gave to all of their dealers...aka bubble gum. this is getting ridiculous. sorry, just wanted to vent.
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RE: UPDATE: Front-end Rattle...Any Suggestions? - 8/6/2007 3:48:52 PM
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mfish
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just FYI...
Hearing your post about packing the steering column with grease reminded my of my 02 avalanche that had the same problem.
The dealer told me it was because the column was not filled up with grease that does act to dampen any motion of the shaft. It fixed the problem completely. I am not saying it will work for the H3 but it is a valid point.
I have an appt to take mine in this wednesday for a knocking coming from the front end, it sounds very similiar to all the symptoms your steering shaft people have been posting but I dont feel it in the pedals or steering wheel, I hear and feel it on the floorbaord when mostly making turns on a bumpy road. And mine is an 06 and from what I read only 07's have this problem. The dealer ( Weseloh ) at least acknowledged the fact that he knew about the steering columns.
From an earlier post about there being a batch of bad steering columns is very possible. That is what happened to all the head/valve issues with the 06 (mine included), there was a batch of bad heads that did not seal up, after the master die for the head was finished and new die used the problem went away.
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RE: UPDATE: Front-end Rattle...Any Suggestions? - 8/6/2007 4:27:50 PM
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FREDDY0514
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WHAT U YEAH I PICK UP 2 H3 3 WEEKS AGO AND HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM DRIVE IT THE DEALER THEY CHECK IT OUT NEEDED TO ORDER A NEW SHAFT COMING IN ACOUPLE DAYS
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RE: UPDATE: Front-end Rattle...Any Suggestions? - 8/6/2007 5:32:04 PM
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ORIGINAL: FREDDY0514
WHAT U YEAH I PICK UP 2 H3 3 WEEKS AGO AND HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM DRIVE IT THE DEALER THEY CHECK IT OUT NEEDED TO ORDER A NEW SHAFT COMING IN ACOUPLE DAYS
Hopefully, that new shaft they're replacing won't give you the same problem
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RE: UPDATE: Front-end Rattle...Any Suggestions? - 8/7/2007 1:00:12 PM
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gp1182
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I got the same problem. Lucky for me, a member at at gmhummer.com sent me this message that i pasted on teh bottom. he was right on the money. Hummer is now ordering the piece. The problem, according to other members is that the piece has yet to be redesigned. So it seems likely that the problem will comeback.But the warranty will cover it. Godd luck to us all.Check it out:
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Subject: Clunk Or Knock Noise Heard And Felt Through The Steering Wheel Or Brake And Accelerator Pedals - keywords intermediate rattle shaft #PIT4448 - (06/27/2007)
Models: 2007 Hummer H3
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The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.
Condition/Concern:
A clunk or knock noise is heard and felt through the steering wheel or brake and accelerator pedals, the cause is a slip/stick condition in the lower steering shaft. This is a temperature sensitive issue and usually requires the vehicle to have been driven for a period of time to increase under hood temperatures
Recommendation/Instructions:
Replace the lower steering shaft part no. 25776339. There is a high probability that replacing the shaft will correct the condition as there are only a small percentage of parts that exhibit this condition. This PI will be updated when a new part number becomes available.
Please follow this diagnostic or repair process thoroughly and complete each step. If the condition exhibited is resolved without completing every step, the remaining steps do not need to be performed.
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so bad hummer can't figure it out - 8/7/2007 1:10:57 PM
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gp1182
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My vehicle is brand new; its not even at 5000 miles yet.
Every time i'm driving at slow speed, and after at least 15 minutes of driving, a clamping noise comes up.
It sounds as if a small metal box is inside a slightly bigger one and the smaller box keeps banging against the bigger box.
I can hear something clamping or banging under the vehicle. I also feel the clamp or banging on the gas pedal, when i rest my foot on it, and on the brake pad ,when i'm about to come to a stop.
Hummer service first told me that they could not pin point the problem. Then they said that this is common on all H3Xs. They also admitted to have never test drove the car for more then 3 minutes, which i specifically requested. They want me to wait until something brakes or gets worse.
Has anyone experienced this type of problem or have any idea of what this problem may be?
If so, what was the problem, and how was it fixed?
I'm open to any and all suggestions. PLEASE HELP
Maybe this???
Subject: Clunk Or Knock Noise Heard And Felt Through The Steering Wheel Or Brake And Accelerator Pedals - keywords intermediate rattle shaft #PIT4448 - (06/27/2007)
Models: 2007 Hummer H3
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The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.
Condition/Concern:
A clunk or knock noise is heard and felt through the steering wheel or brake and accelerator pedals, the cause is a slip/stick condition in the lower steering shaft. This is a temperature sensitive issue and usually requires the vehicle to have been driven for a period of time to increase under hood temperatures
Recommendation/Instructions:
Replace the lower steering shaft part no. 25776339. There is a high probability that replacing the shaft will correct the condition as there are only a small percentage of parts that exhibit this condition. This PI will be updated when a new part number becomes available.
Please follow this diagnostic or repair process thoroughly and complete each step. If the condition exhibited is resolved without completing every step, the remaining steps do not need to be performed.
Last edited by PSYCHO : 08-03-2007 at 04:31 PM.
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RE: so bad hummer can't figure it out - 8/7/2007 2:28:59 PM
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I brought ny H3 into the shop today for the TPS to be fixed/replaced, and mentioned the steering/gas pedal "clunk" to the srvc dept -- they immediately knew what the problem was (intermediate steering column).....they ordered the part and said that it is on 2 week back-order. They even offered to pick my truck up at my house when the repair was going to be done ?!? (I've never been offered that before!)
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RE: so bad hummer can't figure it out - 8/8/2007 8:31:55 AM
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greenshirt77
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GP1182- Yes, you are experiencing the same as everyone else- the steering shaft issue.
Most 07 H3s were purchased in late '06 and early '07 when the weather was cooler. Thus, some had the issue but didn't realize it because it's not obvious in lower temps.
Some have just purchased recently and are noticing the prob immediately. Mileage is not a factor.
Here's what I know as of yesterday from my dealer. (Hall in Va Beach) I've already covered some of this in earlier posts, but I'll recap to make it easier.
The prob is a manufacturing defect in the steering shaft assembly. Whether this is a fluke issue on a specific batch, or an actual design defect is unknown.
Early speculation indicated that it's most likely a defect on a specific batch, although that seems unlikely to me. I say this given that dealers were orig instructed to replace the part previously mentioned in this thread, and in most cases it has not only not solved the problem, many reported that the problem was WORSE. (As a result, Hall has completely ceased doing any more "fixes" with the aforementined part.) I'm no rocket scientist, but that suggests to me that there is a design defect.
If it is an issue with a specific batch of shafts, I would hope that GM will be able to pinpoint the VIN range and notify everyone. This is never full proof though, as GM has issued bulletins/recalls in the past targeting a specific VIN range, only to find out down the road that the range was much broader than originally thought.
All indications are, that as annoying and unstable as the clunking sound may be, it is not causing any damage to the vehicle or serious concern related to the safe operation of the vehicle.
That said, I can't imagine it's a good thing for the steering shaft to be clunking around for extended periods of time.
The most annoying aspect of this is that no one seems to know EXACTLY where GM stands on this at the moment. Are they designing a proper replacement? Are they simply attempting to devise a more apt "fix"? Word from the service manager at Hall is that they are designing a replacement, but absolutely no word on when it will be avail.
For now, we have no choice but to hang in there and wait... and wait... and wait.
This is only my opinion, but I would advise against having the current "fix" performed. Don't do it. It will be a complete waste of time. Some dealers have ceased performing this "fix" for a reason. It doesn't work. All it amounts to is time wasted for nothing. You have to leave your H3, have someone shuttle you around (or rent a car) while the service mechanics go tearing into your H3 steering column (scary enough right there!) and perform work that will not improve the issue, and perhaps will even make it worse. Then you get to go pick it up, hopeful that the problem is gone. And as you drive off down the road with you're fingers crossed, all of a sudden:
Your H3- "clunk clunk"
You- "F*ck!"
Might as well just sit it out, annoying as it is, until a proper fix is available.
Until then- Happy clunking everyone!
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RE: so bad hummer can't figure it out - 8/8/2007 1:44:30 PM
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mfish
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I dont think it was a bad batch, my 06 is at the dealer right now, they just called me to tell me the noise I am hearing is the steering shaft. My H3 was made 10/05.
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RE: so bad hummer can't figure it out - 8/8/2007 2:15:24 PM
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Nick119
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Ugh, today its about 100+ degrees out and I began to hear serious clunks and felt the gas pedal vibrating. So I guess I'm in the mix with you guys. Should I even bother to call the dealer or wait?
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RE: so bad hummer can't figure it out - 8/8/2007 2:21:21 PM
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mfish
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Call them and get on the wait list for the part.
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RE: so bad hummer can't figure it out - 8/8/2007 2:43:54 PM
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greenshirt77
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Yes, what mfish said. Notify your dealer and get on a list for the permanent fix, but don't bother taking it in now.
See the last paragraph of my above post.
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RE: Front-end Rattle...Any Suggestions? - 8/8/2007 5:19:09 PM
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ikao
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Well, the part number for the NEW/UPDATED part or whatever they want to call it is 25776339
I don't know if this is the same as the existing one, but keep in mind, the dealers were all told to use the existing one until the new one is made. As you said H3PR, it probably is the same part number.
Anyway, the new re-designed part is already on back-order even though it's available now. This is from my friend who works in the Service Department at a dealer as well.
I hope we all get this resolved soon. Honestly, everybody's story seems to add up to a defective batch, and them finding it and taking the old ones away from their inventory and replacing them with the new ones.
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it looks like the same part number from PIT4448. is this the newly redesigned piece or the patch until the redesigned piece comes out?
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RE: Front-end Rattle...Any Suggestions? - 8/8/2007 5:37:19 PM
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greenshirt77
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is this the newly redesigned piece or the patch until the redesigned piece comes out?
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I'm trying to make this clear- THERE IS NO RE-DESIGNED PART YET!
This above mentioned part is the piece of sh*t temporary fix that is worthless.
Get in touch with your dealer service and tell them you want to be on a list to be notified when the NEW replacement (or other perm fix) is available.
EDIT- After re-reading, I realize this post sounds a bit harsher than it was meant. I'm just trying to clear up for everyone in an attempt to save time and headache. I was one of the first to discuss this issue with my dealer's service dept. I actually pointed them to this thread a while back. Since then, they have been very pro-active in regards to communicating with GM to stay on top of where things are currently with the situation.
< Message edited by greenshirt77 -- 8/9/2007 7:20:01 AM >
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