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RE: Zyne ... & anybody else that has a look :) - 5/30/2007 1:58:58 PM
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ZYNE
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I have a picture of my foot if you want to see it............ 
Nick, your butterfly photos are great but seem like they are out of focus, unless that is just the effects of the massive scaling you had to do because it was so large of a pic. I'm not critisizing just commenting
don't beat me please.
Criticism is good when it's constructive, I won't beat you :P What part do you think is out of focus!? The object (butterfly) or surroundings (grass/flower) ?? The idea behind these shots IS to blur out the items I simply do not want in focus. For example, the black and white butterfly. The focus on that picture is on it's head and front half of his body. I set the camera to focus on that part of the object. I then use a short depth of field in order to create a blurry background and also blur anything in the foreground so the focus remains on the object. Like I said, neither one of these images have been edited beyond a quick resize so keep that in mind.
The red butterfly is a bit washed out because I have not leveled the colors or adjusted the light on it yet. The effect I was looking for on that picture was a very clear foreground, flower and head of the butterfly. This was done using a very short depth of field, hence why the back of the butterfly is blurred, this is intentional. You may also notice one of those feeler things on is head is almost out of focus and as you get closer to it's head it's getting in to focus ... this is not a mishap bro, it was done this way intentionally.
The resizing of the pictures unfortunately removes A LOT of details out of these shots. Keep in mind they went from roughly 16 MB in size down to a measly 64K or so ...
Another example for you ... The bee is the object here and though it was a sunny day when I took this picture, the background came out black. This is due to a very short depth of field setting on the camera which allows me to get just enough light in to where it captures the object but nothing beyond it. Hence, it turns black. As you can see in this picture it very quickly starts to blur when you look "deeper" in to the picture, again, this is by design. I would say my bee picture here is a damn fine example of a good macro shot (I've had the original size published, thank you very much!).
You can of course greatly increase the depth of field by using different apperature settings on the camera but why do you want the grass or surroundings in focus!? Macro is all about picking out the details out of the very very small. I have pictures somewhere of fire ants at about 0.5 inches in length and I've used such a short depth of field that literally the back half is either blurred out or almost black. In the event of the two pics I posted here I wanted to focus on the very heads and front of the objects and get the background out of the way ... so while they are blurry, they should be :-)
Does this answer it?
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RE: Zyne ... & anybody else that has a look :) - 5/30/2007 2:01:29 PM
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Depending on what you do and how fancy of a taste you have in lenses you can spend up to $80,000 dollars on just one tube of glass ... or as little as a couple of hundred bucks.
Fixed....
http://dvinfo.net/canon/images/images17.php
I guess I SHOULD'VE said consumer lenses. Don't they use those things when they film/photograph space shuttle launches!?! LOL!
or this one.... the tiny thing on the right is the body...
http://www.foosoftware.com/photo/tv5200cat.jpg
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RE: Zyne ... & anybody else that has a look :) - 5/30/2007 2:06:29 PM
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Another example of it ... I took this one YEARS ago ... It has been resized and edited but the background is "original" and blurry, this again intentionally.
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RE: Zyne ... & anybody else that has a look :) - 5/30/2007 2:14:00 PM
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ZYNE
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I want a Macro flash for my 50mm Canon... but I just don't need it.
I dropped $600 on my flash for my Elan 7e and then when I bought the digital it doesn't work with my 20D.
I passed the $9000 mark a few months ago when I bought new batteries for my camcorder... and to be honest you could probably get all of it for $2000 on flebay now...
I spent a similar amount on my speedlite I got ... the ring light for the 50mm is nice as hell but you won't end up using it a whole lot I don't think. How do you like your 20D so far?? I've looked at them myself but opted for the 5D instead .. or I should say I settled for the 5D since there ain't no way upon gawds green earth I'm shelling out 7K for a 1DS Mark II even though I'd kill to have that camera lol! Maybe if I can get a good deal on one around $3,500 *yeah right* bucks I might .... but even that would be pushing it for what I'm willing to spend .... the 12.8MP I have stung enough ..
I don't even want to discuss depreciation on this stuff, it will make me cry. I have a cam corder and bunch of accessories there too so I feel ya .. it adds up quickly but ... if you enjoy the stuff, why not ..
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RE: Zyne ... & anybody else that has a look :) - 5/30/2007 2:40:33 PM
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On the bee picture, the left wing is VERY sharp but the rest of the body isn't. I know the backgrounds are supposed to be blurred, but I guess I just am expecting it to be sharper and more detailed like that wing is. IS it just the scaling that is doing that?
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RE: Zyne ... & anybody else that has a look :) - 5/30/2007 2:46:20 PM
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I just noticed everything that is even with the wing is sharp but in front and back of it isn't, so I kinda get what you mean, but I'm just used to seeing bug and animal pictures where the entire body is sharp as nails and the rest of the picture isn't. If you meant to just focus on that wing or that part of the body where the hair is then I understand. I just am dense sorry
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RE: Zyne ... & anybody else that has a look :) - 5/30/2007 2:53:48 PM
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No, it's not scaling .. it will depend on my focus point .. when I use a very short depth of field and then set my focus point on for example the head, whatever is further away than the head will then progressively become more blurred. In the event of my two butterfly pics they are both center focused (I have 9 or 11 focus points to play with, I can't remember which one it is lol) right smack on their heads which yes, will blur the body somewhat the further back you get. I don't have the originals here at work but I'm going to compare them to the edited/resized ones when I get home and see if I can tell any differences.
The focus point on the bee is on the left side of the critter. The picture has actually been rotated 90 degrees clockwise and then cropped to make it look like it was taken dead on. That is why the left wing is more in focus than the right. You also have that nasty hotspot on the right wing which contributes to killing off the detail.
The snake picture was also center focused but inside its mouth, not on the outside of the head. The image was then cropped to give it the appearance of the snake coming out of the picture. If I recall correctly this was a bigger picture I cropped to get just that head shot ...
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RE: Zyne ... & anybody else that has a look :) - 5/30/2007 3:02:45 PM
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Well, if you do get the XTi I'd recommend the 70-300mm IS zoom lens. It's about $600 vs the non-IS (Image Stabilization) version which runs you about $250. It's a pretty heavy lens and having the IS is a life saver if you wait for a shot for a while. I have both of them, I bought the non-IS first and then picked up the IS later because I regreted not getting it the first time around.
There are a couple of good 400mm telephoto zoom lenses available too but now you are starting to talk $1,500+ just for the glass .. they do take awfully good pictures though :-)
Make sure you get yourself lens hoods for those lenses too, they prevent stray light from entering the lens. You may also want to pic up a 58mm polarizing filter, it takes glare out of those water shots and makes the sky look more natural :-)
I'm looking into your suggestions. I will definately get the IS no matter what I end up getting!! I've copied and pasted all this info in Stickies. 
Thanks for the info!! 
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RE: Zyne ... & anybody else that has a look :) - 5/30/2007 3:04:31 PM
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Nice pictures Paige sweetie...You have an eye for the perfect picture...Just wondering, was that a jet contrails in that sunset picture?
Thank you sweetness! It looks like it coulda been, I didn't notice until you mentioned it.
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RE: Zyne ... & anybody else that has a look :) - 5/30/2007 3:08:46 PM
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TigerLily
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Very, very nice shots Paige and how romantic
(You must have some hidden French blood)
As far ZYNE is concern, my feeling is that since he became a mod. he turned soft!!.
next picture from him will be a Prius and his Hummer kissing each other withe the ''peace and love '' sign hanging above their head. 
(I am just joking buddy...nice shots)
As a matter of fact Jean, I do have some french blood.
Thank you, hope you're feeling better and are back on those horses! 
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RE: Zyne ... & anybody else that has a look :) - 5/30/2007 3:13:27 PM
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Another example of it ... I took this one YEARS ago ... It has been resized and edited but the background is "original" and blurry, this again intentionally.
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Another example of a fantastic photo!
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RE: Zyne ... & anybody else that has a look :) - 5/30/2007 3:41:56 PM
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Well, if you do get the XTi I'd recommend the 70-300mm IS zoom lens. It's about $600 vs the non-IS (Image Stabilization) version which runs you about $250. It's a pretty heavy lens and having the IS is a life saver if you wait for a shot for a while. I have both of them, I bought the non-IS first and then picked up the IS later because I regreted not getting it the first time around.
There are a couple of good 400mm telephoto zoom lenses available too but now you are starting to talk $1,500+ just for the glass .. they do take awfully good pictures though :-)
Make sure you get yourself lens hoods for those lenses too, they prevent stray light from entering the lens. You may also want to pic up a 58mm polarizing filter, it takes glare out of those water shots and makes the sky look more natural :-)
I'm looking into your suggestions. I will definately get the IS no matter what I end up getting!! I've copied and pasted all this info in Stickies.
Thanks for the info!!
Not a problem at all .. if there's anything I can help out with or if you have any questions by all means feel free. My e-mail should be under my profile too so hit me up there if you want as well. Been playing with these cameras for 3 years now and I tell you what, if you enjoy photography this is the only way to go!! I've gone through some point and shoots before I got my first SLR and I don't think I'll ever go back. While the SLR's do have a point and shoot mode I personally never use it. Be aware though, you have to work these camera's quite a bit to get the pictures to come out if you don't use the "easy mode" lol. The thing I had the hardest time with was and still is gauging light and get the camera set right the first time around. You do kind of build up an eye for it over time from what I've noticed. I'm getting better but not quite there yet!!
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RE: Zyne ... & anybody else that has a look :) - 5/30/2007 3:46:27 PM
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ZYNE
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Another example of it ... I took this one YEARS ago ... It has been resized and edited but the background is "original" and blurry, this again intentionally.
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Another example of a fantastic photo!
That is actually one of my alltime favorite pictures I think. I have my home office/digital dark room covered in my pictures and I have that one, though slightly differently cropped, printed out as a borderless 11x17 infront of my desk.
I have a couple of other good black and whites laying around somewhere I should post for you. I think you would appreciate them considering your eye for taking pet pictures, that dog is beautiful by the way.
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RE: Zyne ... & anybody else that has a look :) - 5/30/2007 4:37:27 PM
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TigerLily
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Well, if you do get the XTi I'd recommend the 70-300mm IS zoom lens. It's about $600 vs the non-IS (Image Stabilization) version which runs you about $250. It's a pretty heavy lens and having the IS is a life saver if you wait for a shot for a while. I have both of them, I bought the non-IS first and then picked up the IS later because I regreted not getting it the first time around.
There are a couple of good 400mm telephoto zoom lenses available too but now you are starting to talk $1,500+ just for the glass .. they do take awfully good pictures though :-)
Make sure you get yourself lens hoods for those lenses too, they prevent stray light from entering the lens. You may also want to pic up a 58mm polarizing filter, it takes glare out of those water shots and makes the sky look more natural :-)
I'm looking into your suggestions. I will definately get the IS no matter what I end up getting!! I've copied and pasted all this info in Stickies.
Thanks for the info!!
Not a problem at all .. if there's anything I can help out with or if you have any questions by all means feel free. My e-mail should be under my profile too so hit me up there if you want as well. Been playing with these cameras for 3 years now and I tell you what, if you enjoy photography this is the only way to go!! I've gone through some point and shoots before I got my first SLR and I don't think I'll ever go back. While the SLR's do have a point and shoot mode I personally never use it. Be aware though, you have to work these camera's quite a bit to get the pictures to come out if you don't use the "easy mode" lol. The thing I had the hardest time with was and still is gauging light and get the camera set right the first time around. You do kind of build up an eye for it over time from what I've noticed. I'm getting better but not quite there yet!!
I will do that!! Like I've said ... I don't know the first thing about cameras other than the basics. If I'm gonna put down some serious cash for a really nice one, I will for sure do my homework! I mean this PowerShot was $900.00 when I got it.
I try to gauge my light, the direction if comes from as well as how it's reflecting on something. That to me can be one of the key factors that can make or break a nice pic. I have never liked a flash photo that much, natural light is by far better. But, then again, I prefer nature photos or animals. I also really like off the cuff, unstaged people photos. lol ... does that make sense? I'm sure you know what I mean. I'd rather catch someone doing something (or nothing) when their not expecting it and take a pic, those are always the best. Like the one below of my Dad, I just love this pic. Him, on the boat, in his element! It's not really a great photo - it's a special photo.
Thanks again for all the help!
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RE: Zyne ... & anybody else that has a look :) - 5/30/2007 4:39:29 PM
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TigerLily
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Another example of it ... I took this one YEARS ago ... It has been resized and edited but the background is "original" and blurry, this again intentionally.
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Another example of a fantastic photo!
That is actually one of my alltime favorite pictures I think. I have my home office/digital dark room covered in my pictures and I have that one, though slightly differently cropped, printed out as a borderless 11x17 infront of my desk.
I have a couple of other good black and whites laying around somewhere I should post for you. I think you would appreciate them considering your eye for taking pet pictures, that dog is beautiful by the way.
Yeah, post them. I'd love to see them!
Thanks and yes, he is and unfortunately .. he knows it! lol!
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