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Do we get out of Iraq

GET OUT NOW all together, and never look back.

27% (5)

Get out and then go after Iran..Air strikes only!

5% (1)

Stay, take total control, and use their oil to pay for the war

33% (6)

Stay and slowly turn it over to the Iraqis

33% (6)

Total Votes : 18

(last vote on : 5/25/2008 1:05:41 PM)
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Do we get out of Iraq

Dennis -> Do we get out of Iraq (4/20/2007 2:46:25 PM)
...and let them fanantics fend for themselves, or do we stay until it's all settled...??

HummerGuy -> RE: Do we get out of Iraq (4/20/2007 4:33:41 PM)
"Stay and slowly turn it over to the Iraqis" Yeah, wasn't that the plan 4 years ago? Good job they did sticking to THAT one! We can all see that plan is going REALLY well [:@][:@]

HummBob -> RE: Do we get out of Iraq (4/20/2007 5:22:22 PM)
Stay, take total control, and use their oil to pay for the war!!!! Plus, give us better GAS PRICES!!!![;)]

Sugardaddy -> RE: Do we get out of Iraq (4/20/2007 7:12:55 PM)
What is different this time than let's say WWII? We're so damn worried about "colateral damage" God forbid if we kill a civilain over there. Those nut's over there can saw off the head of an innocent American, but put panties on one of their heads and all hell breaks loose. Ya know how to stop it? Bring our boys home safely, and them bomb the fuk out of Iraq. And the next time some azzhole wants to mess with us or any of our allies they will think twice.[sm=americanasmiley.gif]

shortbus -> RE: Do we get out of Iraq (4/20/2007 7:26:35 PM)
you left off the option of turning the whole area into a sheet of glass . . . . [:D]

Dennis -> RE: Do we get out of Iraq (4/20/2007 7:30:00 PM)
I know..I didn't want to see anybody besides the fanatics over there to get hurt...there is a lot of genuinely good people in Iraq..take the northern Kurdish area..they love us Americans...

Sugardaddy -> RE: Do we get out of Iraq (4/20/2007 7:38:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: shortbus you left off the option of turning the whole area into a sheet of glass . . . . [:D] LMAO!

Linus Gump -> RE: Do we get out of Iraq (4/20/2007 8:43:18 PM)
As a vetran of that conflict, I have a different perspective than what is shown on the news, and from what the average American has. Since we don't get to hear about any of the good things that happen, and our media could care less about the poll that was done a month or so ago that showed most Iraqis don't see themself in a civil war, and most still want American support, and most still believe in the posisibility of having thier own democratic country, I say we stay and keep guiding them and training them until they are able to defend thier government against all enemies, both foriegn and domestic, then let them sort out the religious differences. Afterall, that is what most of the violence is about right now. There are some politics involved, but that is thier politics to deal with. They are not ready yet, and we are not done yet. The amazing thing is, if they could quell the violence and make it a safe enough place for tourists to go, they could make as much, if not more, from tourism than they do from oil. The only other place mentioned in the Bible as much as Iraq is Isreal. The ancient city of Babylon is in Iraq, Ur, the birthplace of Abraham, is in Iraq, The Garden of Eden is believed to be in Iraq. religious people would flock there to see and experience these places. All of this, and more. The rest of the country is filled with beutiful sceanery and culture. It truly is a place to be experienced.

Dennis -> RE: Do we get out of Iraq (4/20/2007 11:12:48 PM)
And if I hadn't said it befor Linus..THANKS![sm=usa.gif]

JM -> RE: Do we get out of Iraq (4/21/2007 2:16:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Linus Gump As a vetran of that conflict, I have a different perspective than what is shown on the news, and from what the average American has. Since we don't get to hear about any of the good things that happen, and our media could care less about the poll that was done a month or so ago that showed most Iraqis don't see themself in a civil war, and most still want American support, and most still believe in the posisibility of having thier own democratic country, I say we stay and keep guiding them and training them until they are able to defend thier government against all enemies, both foriegn and domestic, then let them sort out the religious differences. Afterall, that is what most of the violence is about right now. There are some politics involved, but that is thier politics to deal with. They are not ready yet, and we are not done yet. The amazing thing is, if they could quell the violence and make it a safe enough place for tourists to go, they could make as much, if not more, from tourism than they do from oil. The only other place mentioned in the Bible as much as Iraq is Isreal. The ancient city of Babylon is in Iraq, Ur, the birthplace of Abraham, is in Iraq, The Garden of Eden is believed to be in Iraq. religious people would flock there to see and experience these places. All of this, and more. The rest of the country is filled with beutiful sceanery and culture. It truly is a place to be experienced. What you're writing is idealistic. I know quiet well the ME since I had various subsidiaries of my company in SA, UAE and Jordan. I have been to Iraq several times (before '90) and I have dealt with iraquis. You have today two different influence in that region, the Saoud which are mainly composed from tribes coming from Jordan originally. Their influence is both financial, political - thanks to both the USA and Europe- and religious (dont forget that the arabic title of the King of SA is '' the guardian of the mosque'') and the Iranian who are supported politically by China. ( thus no one move since China check book is far too big for anyone to really piss them off). The religious aspect is extremely complex since they are all muslims but from 5 differents branches. The two main branches Sunnits and Chiites are in control. The trick is that the Chiites (90% of Iran 68 millions people and 60% of Iraq but only 15% of SA) are by far the biggest part of the population. In Iraq and in SA the Sunnites- a quiet small minority- have ALWAYS been in control both politically and financially when the chiites controls IRAN. The Iran/Irak 8 years war was about religious control. Coming back to the main subject, I believed that what you said about ''educating them'' is wishful thinking. The Iraq war started over Saddam and his croonies. They have all been removed and instead of seeing the country settling down and -with the help of the Americans- going toward a democracy what we are seeing now is a religious war developing. Fueled by both Saoudis and iranian. In ireland the catholics where labelled terrorists, in Europe the resistants where labelled terrorists during WWII. There are no more terrorists in Iraq than in Iran or in any other arabic country. The terrorists are a small part of fundamentalists muslims coming from various countries and financed by mostly ALL the islamic governments, including SA and Iran and Syria and Lybia but also some black african country and Indonesia not to mention malaysia. My believe is that the only way to see the Iraqui situation coming back to ''normal'' is to let them clear their own mess in between themselves. Obviously the ''normal'' situation could very possibly turn out to be unacceptable for us ( by ''us'' I mean the G8 members) but the massive US military presence in the region will never solve the problem. I don't see the Iraq war tu

Choco -> RE: Do we get out of Iraq (4/21/2007 2:44:14 AM)
In my opinion... If you look at all the evidence leading up to and during 9/11. It leads me to believe that this whole war had to do with oil. At the end of the day it's all about business. 1-2 months before there was 8,000 people that bet American Airlines was going to drop/fail, this was 16x the normal amount in 1 year. The guy leasing, resigned a new lease for 3.2bill, and got insurance for 3.5bill specifically covering against terroism. 1 eye witnessed described the planes as a blue circle symbol, not an american airline description. If you slow-motion the clip just before it hits the tower there is a bright fire, it was observed from 3 different angles. The 2nd Tower stood up strong for quite sometime. The firefighters said they couldnt exstinguish the fire, and if they should let it go? He responded with "There has been to much loss, let it go?" soon after it falls down like a demolition building. Firefighter described it like each floor going boom boom boom, much like a building getting blown up with detonaters. The pentagon was supposidly hit by a plane, but there was no evidence of a plane being there. Also the hole made in the section of the pentagon was much smaller than the nose of a 577, also how could a plane like this make it through 18 feet of concrete. There was only 1 Camera watching this section of the pentagon, how does that happen? A gas station fairly close by had video footage of this event, and was quicky confiscated by government officials. How can a 575 Hit the pentagon and leave no pieces, seats, wing, anything. There is a lot more information about this from: 9/11: Conspiracy 9/11: Recut Edition or something like that. These 2 videos have showed me more evidence than any other source. I feel bush took advantage of american Patriotism by stating: "If your not with us, you're with the terriosts." Thats messed up. Recut Edition of 9/11 is really good and 9/11 conspiracy is alright. Just try to look at it with an open mind.

JM -> RE: Do we get out of Iraq (4/21/2007 2:57:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Choco In my opinion... If you look at all the evidence leading up to and during 9/11. It leads me to believe that this whole war had to do with oil. At the end of the day it's all about business. 1-2 months before there was 8,000 people that bet American Airlines was going to drop/fail, this was 16x the normal amount in 1 year. The guy leasing, resigned a new lease for 3.2bill, and got insurance for 3.5bill specifically covering against terroism. 1 eye witnessed described the planes as a blue circle symbol, not an american airline description. If you slow-motion the clip just before it hits the tower there is a bright fire, it was observed from 3 different angles. The 2nd Tower stood up strong for quite sometime. The firefighters said they couldnt exstinguish the fire, and if they should let it go? He responded with "There has been to much loss, let it go?" soon after it falls down like a demolition building. Firefighter described it like each floor going boom boom boom, much like a building getting blown up with detonaters. The pentagon was supposidly hit by a plane, but there was no evidence of a plane being there. Also the hole made in the section of the pentagon was much smaller than the nose of a 577, also how could a plane like this make it through 18 feet of concrete. There was only 1 Camera watching this section of the pentagon, how does that happen? A gas station fairly close by had video footage of this event, and was quicky confiscated by government officials. How can a 575 Hit the pentagon and leave no pieces, seats, wing, anything. There is a lot more information about this from: 9/11: Conspiracy 9/11: Recut Edition or something like that. These 2 videos have showed me more evidence than any other source. I feel bush took advantage of american Patriotism by stating: "If your not with us, you're with the terriosts." Thats messed up. Recut Edition of 9/11 is really good and 9/11 conspiracy is alright. Just try to look at it with an open mind. I don't really get your point. But if you want to say that 9/11 was a conspiracy I really believe that is RIDICULOUS!!

Choco -> RE: Do we get out of Iraq (4/21/2007 3:19:26 AM)
Like i said its my opinion... To say it's ridiculous.. I say its politics... You make a movie with evidence to prove me wrong, ill look at it froma nother point of view. By evidence I don't mean like, look at how many peoples lives are ruined, because that doesn't prove anything in the world today. Explain to me how after the pentagon was hit they could have cleaned up that large of a plane in an hour, and it only did that smaller hole of damage. I do feel the soldiers are over there to help there country, but for all the wrong reasons.

JM -> RE: Do we get out of Iraq (4/21/2007 4:14:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Choco Like i said its my opinion... To say it's ridiculous.. I say its politics... You make a movie with evidence to prove me wrong, ill look at it froma nother point of view. By evidence I don't mean like, look at how many peoples lives are ruined, because that doesn't prove anything in the world today. Explain to me how after the pentagon was hit they could have cleaned up that large of a plane in an hour, and it only did that smaller hole of damage. I do feel the soldiers are over there to help there country, but for all the wrong reasons. I don't believe for a second that any politician leader in the ''free world'' countries can even start to imagine ''making up'' a monstruosity like 9/11 . And thing about the number of people you have to get involved... No, that idea is science fiction. I agree to say that Saddam was probably not involved at all in 9/11 and that the war was based on lies or mispresentation of the facts. The Bush administration has probably instrumentalized the american people. But that was not the subject, since both chambers have approved the war the war was then legal. That's democracy, we can disagree with our country leaders but majority rules. My country leadership and the american administration have had different views on the subject, France being not at war I feel that I can speak freely on the subject. Anyhow, no one can contemplate all the dead americans boys and iraqui families and stay without opinion. Another collateral damage of this war is that the entire world has develloped a serious racist feeling against the muslims.They have differents views, a different culture allright but what percentage of them are ''bad guys'' out of a billion or so muslims in the world. I also deeply regret that BUSH and CHIRAC disagreements has led to bad feelings in between the American people and the French people. All in all, in think that the Bush administration has not made the world ''safer'' but worse using all the worst side of the human being to reach their goals. and understand me well, I am not speaking about politics here I am speaking about ethics.

Choco -> RE: Do we get out of Iraq (4/21/2007 5:07:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JM quote: ORIGINAL: Choco Like i said its my opinion... To say it's ridiculous.. I say its politics... You make a movie with evidence to prove me wrong, ill look at it froma nother point of view. By evidence I don't mean like, look at how many peoples lives are ruined, because that doesn't prove anything in the world today. Explain to me how after the pentagon was hit they could have cleaned up that large of a plane in an hour, and it only did that smaller hole of damage. I do feel the soldiers are over there to help there country, but for all the wrong reasons. I don't believe for a second that any politician leader in the ''free world'' countries can even start to imagine ''making up'' a monstruosity like 9/11 . And thing about the number of people you have to get involved... I do believe that any politician leader in the ''free world'' countries can even start to imagine ''making up'' a monstruosity like 9/11. These are all a bunch of coincidences? Pentagon was attacked by what they say was 757. Realistically not by a 757, the plane debri was cleaned up before the fire was put out. The most Resigning his lease for the Twin Towers not much before 9/11 and insurance specifically covering terroism attacks? Did you see how the 2nd tower came down, it was like it had been filled with dynamite on each floor. Coming down like a demolition. Im a Canadian Citizen so I look at it as a spectators view, much like you do.

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