RE: do you know what God says about heaven and hell?
Login  | |
|
RE: do you know what God says about heaven and hell? - 4/19/2007 9:30:18 AM
|
|
|
HummerGuy
Posts: 6689
Status: offline
|
The world evolved from matter, people are evolved from the primate, and the earth's climate is directly affected by the Sun, the Earth's orbit, the pollutants we put into it, the Earth's gravitational field and rotation, 1950s to 70s atmospheric nuclear missile testing and mysterious gases caused by fire hot chili  Nobody controls that mystery now do they? (yes tell me I'm going to hell right now, because I KNOW you are thinking it) 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RE: do you know what God says about heaven and hell? - 4/19/2007 10:00:32 AM
|
|
|
LawWyfe
Posts: 1565
Joined: 11/15/2006
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: HummerGuy
The world evolved from matter, people are evolved from the primate, and the earth's climate is directly affected by the Sun, the Earth's orbit, the pollutants we put into it, the Earth's gravitational field and rotation, 1950s to 70s atmospheric nuclear missile testing and mysterious gases caused by fire hot chili Nobody controls that mystery now do they? (yes tell me I'm going to hell right now, because I KNOW you are thinking it)
I AM THINKING everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs and it does not make one person better OR lessor than the other depending upon what their beliefs are. I choose not to get so wrapped up with theory and relativity (evolution, etc) and believe in God & the Bible period (and not any one denomnation - for one is NOT better than the other!) There is but ONE person to judge..and it is not for every mortal of a particular denomination or belief to deem themselves better than another...I however choose to believe because it makes me feel better and gives me someone to talk to when no one else particularly cares or is willing to listen..and besides whether the whole God/hoopla thing is true or not...call it CYOA for me just in case! As far as drinking, smoking, gambling, etc....(putting aside the body is a temple stuff) I believe as long as one is not inflicting harm or malice upon another - moderation is KEY - with most anything
(yeah OK so if one has a bender every so often...then they ask for forgiveness OR if not - then they pray to that porcelain goddess! LOL) How is that for a religious discussion without stepping on any toes?
< Message edited by LawWyfe -- 4/19/2007 10:02:32 AM >
_____________________________
2006 Hummer H3 Boulder Gray
Simple and understated and not all tricked out!
Sometimes less is better......OK...some BLING since I joined here!
|
|
|
|
|
RE: do you know what God says about heaven and hell? - 4/19/2007 10:04:58 AM
|
|
|
HummerGuy
Posts: 6689
Status: offline
|
I just wanted to see if anybody responded to my Chili statement  lol
LAWWYFE WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL YOUR LIFE?
|
|
|
|
|
RE: do you know what God says about heaven and hell? - 4/19/2007 10:07:05 AM
|
|
|
LawWyfe
Posts: 1565
Joined: 11/15/2006
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: HummerGuy
LAWWYFE WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL YOUR LIFE?
Ohhhh here, there, and a little bit of everywhere and a few places ya wouldnt believe anyway lol
_____________________________
2006 Hummer H3 Boulder Gray
Simple and understated and not all tricked out!
Sometimes less is better......OK...some BLING since I joined here!
|
|
|
|
|
RE: do you know what God says about heaven and hell? - 4/19/2007 10:19:08 AM
|
|
|
ZYNE
Posts: 2453
Joined: 10/9/2006
From: Cincinnati, OH
Status: offline
|
I guess the only problem I have is the "I believe, period" bit ... one SHOULD question things, not just religion obviously, but in general. It's a way that allows you to grow and become more well rounded I guess is the term I'd use.
Even I as an atheist question my own beliefs as much as I do the beliefs of spiritual folks because it gives me a better understanding of what and why I believe in what I do or don't. If nothing else it also gives you a better appreciation for others and it's easier to respect their points of view too .. just my .02 worth
_____________________________
-03 HUMMER H2, Birch White. 35" BAJA MTZ, AVS Window Vent shades, Sirius, rear DVD, billet gas door, tail light guards, IPCW smoked cab lights, Sylvania SilverStar Ultra's, SMA Brushguard, etc.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RE: do you know what God says about heaven and hell? - 4/19/2007 10:35:29 AM
|
|
|
LawWyfe
Posts: 1565
Joined: 11/15/2006
Status: offline
|
Hun I believe because I make the decision to believe, not because someone told me I should, or I THINK I should... and yes I DO question many things in all aspects of life, (including on here LOL!) I am on a constant quest for knowledge. I have never been a crowd pleaser/follower, nor am I a fence sitter. I think you can glean from my posts that I don't have a problem communicating or saying what's on my mind, which often makes me a tad unpopular or disliked LOL. (I do sometimes refrain from saying what's really <harshly> on my mind lol - meaning I have often thought of ripping someone "a new one" on occasion ... But, that being said, I also sometimes like to use my better judgment as to what or how I phrase that which is on my mind. I think the jest of what I said earlier was that we are all entitled to our thoughts, opinions, and beliefs and it doesn't make anyone any better/lessor than another. (Unless of course one is a psychotic sociopath (_(_)hole LOL)
_____________________________
2006 Hummer H3 Boulder Gray
Simple and understated and not all tricked out!
Sometimes less is better......OK...some BLING since I joined here!
|
|
|
|
|
RE: do you know what God says about heaven and hell? - 4/19/2007 10:38:34 AM
|
|
|
ZYNE
Posts: 2453
Joined: 10/9/2006
From: Cincinnati, OH
Status: offline
|
Blind faith in my opinion is no different thant dismissal before contemplation, ie ignorance or narrowmindedness. This obviously not limited to religion but all aspects of life ... If you can't be critical towards your own beliefs and disect them then in my opinion that person is not very secure in their thought process nor in their beliefs. The paradox here is it shows doubt, yet it's blind faith ... it's a contradiction of itself ...
I don't recall the exact text here but Jean Baudrillard has a very interesting view of religion and the inherit symbolism that it includes. I'll have to see if I can't get that typed up when I get home tonight. It's rather provocative but even my bible thumping mother in law raised an eyebrow in "wow" reading it, and that's saying something considering how she is (zero tolerance). I'm guessing JM may have heard of him being a Frenchy and all :-)
Not trying to offend anyone by that statement or label anyone, just my opinion on the matter.
< Message edited by ZYNE -- 4/19/2007 10:49:44 AM >
_____________________________
-03 HUMMER H2, Birch White. 35" BAJA MTZ, AVS Window Vent shades, Sirius, rear DVD, billet gas door, tail light guards, IPCW smoked cab lights, Sylvania SilverStar Ultra's, SMA Brushguard, etc.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: do you know what God says about heaven and hell? - 4/19/2007 10:49:23 AM
|
|
|
ZYNE
Posts: 2453
Joined: 10/9/2006
From: Cincinnati, OH
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: LawWyfe
Hun I believe because I make the decision to believe, not because someone told me I should, or I THINK I should... and yes I DO question many things in all aspects of life, (including on here LOL!) I am on a constant quest for knowledge. I have never been a crowd pleaser/follower, nor am I a fence sitter. I think you can glean from my posts that I don't have a problem communicating or saying what's on my mind, which often makes me a tad unpopular or disliked LOL. (I do sometimes refrain from saying what's really <harshly> on my mind lol - meaning I have often thought of ripping someone "a new one" on occasion ... But, that being said, I also sometimes like to use my better judgment as to what or how I phrase that which is on my mind. I think the jest of what I said earlier was that we are all entitled to our thoughts, opinions, and beliefs and it doesn't make anyone any better/lessor than another. (Unless of course one is a psychotic sociopath (_(_)hole LOL)
Don't take what I said personally, it was not directed to you as a person but more as a concept. I guess ya'll should be aware that I don't take anything in these debates personal nor do I intend for anyone else to do so when it comes to my opinions. I totally understand what you mean and Den I think put it better than I did with his blind faith comment, which is ultimately what I have a problem with I guess.
I d@mn well know you're not a crowd pleaser .. I can smell my own kind :-) And your thoughts on the matter are very much along the lines of my own so please, if you felt I singled you out by that remark accept my apology, that was by no means my intention.
_____________________________
-03 HUMMER H2, Birch White. 35" BAJA MTZ, AVS Window Vent shades, Sirius, rear DVD, billet gas door, tail light guards, IPCW smoked cab lights, Sylvania SilverStar Ultra's, SMA Brushguard, etc.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: do you know what God says about heaven and hell? - 4/19/2007 10:56:41 AM
|
|
|
ZYNE
Posts: 2453
Joined: 10/9/2006
From: Cincinnati, OH
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Dennis
Mikey..if we evolved from primates..why are there still primates?
Good book to read is called.."The Naked Ape"...follow that one with "The speed of a Stripped-ass Ape"
Spontaneous mutation within the gene pool millions and millions of years ago. Still happens on a daily basis but we call them "birth defects" these days.
Evolution is very much alive and around us ... to deny evolutions existance is to deny the very world you live in my friend .. we now have technology to aid us in said evolution but Den, it's still very much there ... and as long as time itself exists (another BS subject in my opinion lol) so will evolution ... if it didn't we as humans would not progress at all ...
_____________________________
-03 HUMMER H2, Birch White. 35" BAJA MTZ, AVS Window Vent shades, Sirius, rear DVD, billet gas door, tail light guards, IPCW smoked cab lights, Sylvania SilverStar Ultra's, SMA Brushguard, etc.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: do you know what God says about heaven and hell? - 4/19/2007 10:59:34 AM
|
|
|
LawWyfe
Posts: 1565
Joined: 11/15/2006
Status: offline
|
Oh no sugar, I did not feel offended, sensitive or singled out by you. I was merely contributing to the debate.  I understand both sides of the coin here.
_____________________________
2006 Hummer H3 Boulder Gray
Simple and understated and not all tricked out!
Sometimes less is better......OK...some BLING since I joined here!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RE: do you know what God says about heaven and hell? - 4/19/2007 11:16:44 AM
|
|
|
ZYNE
Posts: 2453
Joined: 10/9/2006
From: Cincinnati, OH
Status: offline
|
LOL, damnit .. and here I thought I had a pretty good argument LOL!
_____________________________
-03 HUMMER H2, Birch White. 35" BAJA MTZ, AVS Window Vent shades, Sirius, rear DVD, billet gas door, tail light guards, IPCW smoked cab lights, Sylvania SilverStar Ultra's, SMA Brushguard, etc.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: do you know what God says about heaven and hell? - 4/19/2007 11:17:16 AM
|
|
|
ZYNE
Posts: 2453
Joined: 10/9/2006
From: Cincinnati, OH
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: LawWyfe
Oh no sugar, I did not feel offended, sensitive or singled out by you. I was merely contributing to the debate. I understand both sides of the coin here.
Thank ya .. just wanted to make sure :-)
_____________________________
-03 HUMMER H2, Birch White. 35" BAJA MTZ, AVS Window Vent shades, Sirius, rear DVD, billet gas door, tail light guards, IPCW smoked cab lights, Sylvania SilverStar Ultra's, SMA Brushguard, etc.
|
|
|
|
 Today's Posts
Most Active Topics
Make A Donation
Forum Rules & FAQ
RSS Feeds
Hummer Prices
Hummers
Hummer H1
Hummer H2
Hummer H3
Advertising Info
|
Contact Us |
Advertising |
Automotive Directory |
About Us |
Link To Us |
Archive |
Hummer Links |
Legal |
Privacy Policy |
© Hummer Forums.com
Hummer Forums .com is not affiliated with or endorsed by General Motors Corporation.
|
Printable Version
