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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 4/30/2007 6:00:58 PM
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Fireman
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I'm simply stating the gun is by no mean without "blame" in a shootin' .. neither are the bullets ...
Man.. we need some sort of warning for posts like this. I almost sprayed Doritos and Coke all over my monitor when I read that!
Too funny..
Keep 'em coming!!! 
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 5/1/2007 2:49:03 PM
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Dennis
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By Ann Coulter Thu Apr 19, 6:22 PM ET
From the attacks of 9/11 to Monday's school shooting, after every mass
murder there is an overwhelming urge to "do something" to prevent a
similar attack.
But since Adam ate the apple and let evil into the world, deranged
individuals have existed.
Most of the time they can't be locked up until it's too late. It's not
against the law to be crazy -- in some jurisdictions it actually makes
you more viable as a candidate for public office.
It's certainly not against the law to be an unsociable loner. If it
were, Ralph Nader would be behind bars right now, where he belongs.
Mass murder is often the first serious crime unbalanced individuals
are caught committing -- as appears to be in the case of the Virginia
Tech shooter.
The best we can do is enact policies that will reduce the death toll
when these acts of carnage occur, as they will in a free and open
society of 300 million people, most of whom have cable TV.
Only one policy has ever been shown to deter mass murder:
concealed-carry laws. In a comprehensive study of all public,
multiple-shooting incidents in America between 1977 and 1999, the
inestimable economists John Lott and Bill Landes found that
concealed-carry laws were the only laws that had any beneficial effect.
And the effect was not insignificant. States that allowed citizens to
carry concealed handguns reduced multiple-shooting attacks by 60
percent and reduced the death and injury from these attacks by nearly
80 percent.
Apparently, even crazy people prefer targets that can't shoot back.
The reason schools are consistently popular targets for mass murderers
is precisely because of all the idiotic "Gun-Free School Zone" laws.
From the people who brought you "zero tolerance," I present the
Gun-Free Zone! Yippee! Problem solved! Bam! Bam! Everybody down! Hey,
how did that deranged loner get a gun into this Gun-Free Zone?
It isn't the angst of adolescence. Plenty of school shootings have
been committed by adults with absolutely no reason to be at the
school, such as Laurie Dann, who shot up the Hubbard Woods Elementary
School in Winnetka , Ill. , in 1988; Patrick Purdy, who opened fire on
children at Cleveland Elementary School in Stockton , Calif. , in 1989;
and Charles Carl Roberts, who murdered five schoolgirls at an Amish
school in Lancaster County , Pa. , last year.
Oh by the way, the other major "Gun-Free Zone" in America is the post
office.
But instantly, on the day of the shooting at Virginia Tech, the media
were already promoting gun control and pre-emptively denouncing
right-wingers who point out that gun control enables murderers rather
than stopping them. Liberals get to lobby for gun control, but we're
disallowed from arguing back. That's how good their arguments are.
They're that good.
Needless to say, Virginia Tech is a Gun-Free School Zone -- at least
until last Monday. The gunman must not have known. Imagine his
embarrassment! Perhaps there should be signs.
Virginia Tech even prohibits students with concealed-carry permits
from carrying their guns on campus. Last year, the school disciplined
a student for carrying a gun on campus, despite his lawful
concealed-carry permit. If only someone like that had been in Norris
Hall on Monday, this massacre could have been ended a lot sooner.
But last January, the Virginia General Assembly shot down a bill that
would have prevented universities like Virginia Tech from giving
sanctuary to mass murderers on college campuses in Virginia by
disarming students with concealed-carry permits valid in the rest of
the state.
Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker praised the legislature for
allowing the school to disarm lawful gun owners on the faculty and
student body, thereby surrendering every colle
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 5/1/2007 3:53:53 PM
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ZYNE
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quote:
ORIGINAL: ZYNE
I'm simply stating the gun is by no mean without "blame" in a shootin' .. neither are the bullets ...
Man.. we need some sort of warning for posts like this. I almost sprayed Doritos and Coke all over my monitor when I read that!
Too funny..
Keep 'em coming!!!
Gee, I'm guessing we have a disagreement here again huh ... it would make sense since you ridiculed my point of view .. again!
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 5/2/2007 3:34:08 AM
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Fireman
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quote:
ORIGINAL: ZYNE
quote:
ORIGINAL: Fireman
quote:
ORIGINAL: ZYNE
I'm simply stating the gun is by no mean without "blame" in a shootin' .. neither are the bullets ...
Man.. we need some sort of warning for posts like this. I almost sprayed Doritos and Coke all over my monitor when I read that!
Too funny..
Keep 'em coming!!!
Gee, I'm guessing we have a disagreement here again huh ... it would make sense since you ridiculed my point of view .. again!
Well, to me, your logic is goofy. I simply don't understand your thinking, because to me it's ... man, I'm searching for a point of refference here.. it just doesn't make any sense to me.
Ok, if someone grabbed you by the back of the head, and smashed your face into a pane of glass.. would the glass be partially at fault? 
Because, if you're going to blame a gun ... or bullets, for what some asshole does, then I may as well contend that your line of think is too whack for me to understand. Too many people use everything else as a cruch these days. It's not her fault she's fat.. it's not his fault he's on crack. Uh, yeah ... it is. Too many people don't want to man up, and be held accountable for their actions. Too many other people are right there to back up this sissy-fied way of thinking.. and it runs along you line of thoughts about guns having partial blame.
That guy is a murderer.. plain and simple. There is one fault in the whole picture.. HIM, and his insane acts. By backing this absurd crap about the gun or bullets being partially to blame, you're taking some of the blame away from him. I suppose we should hold the taxi driver, who gave him a lift over to the shop to buy the bullets, to blame too? Just where the hell are you going ot draw the line at pointing fingers?
Stop giving this guy, and people like him an "out" by placing the blame on something else, or sharing it. he's to blame, PERIOD!
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 5/2/2007 8:59:44 AM
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ZYNE
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Fireman
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ORIGINAL: ZYNE
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ORIGINAL: Fireman
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ORIGINAL: ZYNE
I'm simply stating the gun is by no mean without "blame" in a shootin' .. neither are the bullets ...
Man.. we need some sort of warning for posts like this. I almost sprayed Doritos and Coke all over my monitor when I read that!
Too funny..
Keep 'em coming!!!
Gee, I'm guessing we have a disagreement here again huh ... it would make sense since you ridiculed my point of view .. again!
Well, to me, your logic is goofy. I simply don't understand your thinking, because to me it's ... man, I'm searching for a point of refference here.. it just doesn't make any sense to me.
Ok, if someone grabbed you by the back of the head, and smashed your face into a pane of glass.. would the glass be partially at fault?
Because, if you're going to blame a gun ... or bullets, for what some asshole does, then I may as well contend that your line of think is too whack for me to understand. Too many people use everything else as a cruch these days. It's not her fault she's fat.. it's not his fault he's on crack. Uh, yeah ... it is. Too many people don't want to man up, and be held accountable for their actions. Too many other people are right there to back up this sissy-fied way of thinking.. and it runs along you line of thoughts about guns having partial blame.
That guy is a murderer.. plain and simple. There is one fault in the whole picture.. HIM, and his insane acts. By backing this absurd crap about the gun or bullets being partially to blame, you're taking some of the blame away from him. I suppose we should hold the taxi driver, who gave him a lift over to the shop to buy the bullets, to blame too? Just where the hell are you going ot draw the line at pointing fingers?
Stop giving this guy, and people like him an "out" by placing the blame on something else, or sharing it. he's to blame, PERIOD!
Ok so it may be goofy to you but has it ever occurred to you your logic is goofy to me? Do I ridicule you for it? No, that's where an open mind comes in to play, you should try it sometime. And further more, read the posts before you reply and make an azz out of yourself. You've taken every single thing I've said (damn near) out of context and if you bothered to get your head outa your azz long enough to actually read it in context, you would've seen I never defended is actions, you've dreamed that up on your own. I think it's painfully obvious what went down ... had you bothered to read and TRY to understand what I said I simply stated you can not remove the device, regardless of what it is, from the action when it is an integral part of the chain of events. Then again, I don't think you want to try to understand a d@mn thing because your truth is THE truth which to me is nothing but a stunning, and embarrassing display of ignorance and narrowmindedness. The fact that you can't make one single argument without ridiculing or racking down on the opinion presented just shows you are incapable of properly arguing your own case in a strong enough fashion to where ridicule and these minor personal attacks you throw in are no longer necessary. Which again just shows how poorly the argument was thought through to begin with.
There, now I'm arguing my case at the same neanderthal level as you .. constructive ain't it?
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 5/2/2007 10:46:49 AM
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Read out of context, eh. I think you're the one who's not paying attention. You're too busy trying to sound impressive, while spewing your panty waisted, liberal BS. If you're finding other things to blame, then you're not defending his actions, you're just removing the complete blame from him, .. like I said. The one thing to blame is him.. yet you choose to take the focus off that and place it on inanimate objects, that are only under the total control of those who weild them. Or, at the very least, in your scewed opinion, they share in the blame. I can't.. hell, I won't ever see that as being remotely logical. So, get all butt hurt if you want. Just know I'm not buying your BS.
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 5/2/2007 10:54:38 AM
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Sometimes... instead of arguing..it is better to just agree to disagree and leave it at that.
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 5/2/2007 11:28:16 AM
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ZYNE
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Read out of context, eh. I think you're the one who's not paying attention. You're too busy trying to sound impressive, while spewing your panty waisted, liberal BS. If you're finding other things to blame, then you're not defending his actions, you're just removing the complete blame from him, .. like I said. The one thing to blame is him.. yet you choose to take the focus off that and place it on inanimate objects, that are only under the total control of those who weild them. Or, at the very least, in your scewed opinion, they share in the blame. I can't.. hell, I won't ever see that as being remotely logical. So, get all butt hurt if you want. Just know I'm not buying your BS.
I don't have to try fireman, this is how I am as a person .. your constant bantering and feeble attempts at grippin for every straw you can in order to continue to feed your need to be right and provide THE only truth is all I have to see in order to write you off as a relatively insecure person who when argument falls short attempt to bully their opinion and thoughts on to others by ridiculing the very thing they can not fight in an intelligent manor. And no, before you dream it up, I did not call you dumb, I said you don't fight it intelligently!! Make an argument instead, with something that remotely supports what you believe instead of ridiculing what you don't understand.
The ironic part is you can draw a parallel between your methods to the very methods used by the tobacco industry (I'm a smoker by the way). You don't have to prove yourself correct if you can bully the opposition in to being wrong or discredit them ... I'm sure you won't see that analogy either.
And again, read the flippin posts .. this was NOT about the gunman in VA. This was in reply to a comment regarding a gun having no involvment in the action of shoting someone .. and if you would like to contend this bit more, by all means .. but fact of the matter here is .. if you shot someone with a firearm, yeah, it was involved in that very action .. That is ALL I argued .. if you recall "blame" was in quotes, I use that when I can't find a better word to use. English is my 4th language and sometimes difficult to sift through 4 languages to find a word that properly states what I had in mind .. sometimes I have to go for something close enough which THAT was!
And FM, if you want to talk BS, listen to the crap coming out of your mouth, it's just as bad as mine .. but you just can not wrap your mind around the concept of right AND wrong instead of right OR wrong, can you ... you are both and so am I .. but at least I realize this ... you on the other hand .. have no conceptual clue at all!
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 5/2/2007 11:33:22 AM
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I don't like it when y'all agrue!
But, I'm sitting with Dennis. If I bring the drinks will you share the popcorn?  
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 5/2/2007 12:00:11 PM
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ZYNE
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Well, it WAS a friendly debate until people start making it personal ... I don't particularly care for that crap either but ... nothing I can do about other peoples actions on that one!
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 5/2/2007 12:12:32 PM
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Well, it WAS a friendly debate until people start making it personal ... I don't particularly care for that crap either but ... nothing I can do about other peoples actions on that one!
I know - I know ... was just playin' ...
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 5/2/2007 12:30:15 PM
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ZYNE
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have some puddin' pumkin, you'll feel better . . . . . 
LMAO! I did with my lunch thank you very much! LOL!!
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