RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 4/16/2007 5:56:34 PM
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ZYNE
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There's no doubt who's to blame here, the guy pulling the trigger. Unfortunately there are more aspects of any incident than just the end result Black ... I in no way think it's the governments fault, the manufacturer of the weapons fault, or whoever made the bullets ... it's a clear cut case of lone gunman goes apesh!t .. unfortunately with an exceptionally abundant amount of "equipment" not only in this country but others as well ... well ... forgive me for saying this but ... if the gun wasn't apart of the equation .. the guy would've looked pretty f*cken stupid running around screaming "bang, you're dead" ... If anyone is to blame it's all of us for being for not being able to resolve an issue without resorting to violence .. then again, we're "cizivilized" ... allow me to vomit uncontrollably at that load of bull!!! LOL!
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 4/16/2007 6:06:09 PM
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Racerboy80
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We can come up with a million situations why certain people shouldn't own guns and have used them to hurt themselves or somebody else, and as weaponsgalore put it there are a million different weapons people can use to kill, maim, injure, etc. I seem to remember where some fertilizer was used to blow up a building in Oklahoma City.
The bottom line is if people want to kill other people they will find a way to do it, and then me and the boys will hunt them down and put them behind bars, but I digress. People kill people and that is the bottom line. **** will happen and the only one to blame is the one who did the killing.
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 4/16/2007 6:16:52 PM
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Very sad....
Campus Gun Ban Disarmed Virginia Victims
VA Tech has "blood on its hands" as gun control advocates milk tragic events
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones
Monday, April 16, 2007
A gun ban recently enforced by Virginia Tech campus prevented over thirty victims of today's mass shooting from defending themselves against the killer, and yet gun control advocates are already politicizing this morning's tragic events to pull the lever for mass gun control.
Virginia is a concealed carry state and yet Virginia Tech campus recently enforced a policy prohibiting "unauthorized possession, storage or control" of firearms on campus.
According to gun rights activists such as Aaron Zelman of Jews For The Preservation of Firearms, VA Tech has "blood on its hands" for disarming the victims and other students who could potentially have stopped the killer in his tracks in the three hour time period he was allowed to carry out his rampage by cowardly police who hid behind trees as the carnage ensued.
Reuters is already disseminating the talking points for an imminent propaganda coup against the Second Amendment, and yet it was the stripping of that right to bear arms that ensured today's death toll represents the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history.
"Advocates of wider gun controls said the availability of guns in the United States had made it easier for people to commit murder everywhere, including in schools and colleges," reports Reuters, with no mention of the fact that had the victims been allowed to exercise their concealed carry rights, the casualty figures may have been far lower.
Students at VA Tech are already slamming the pathetic response on behalf of the police, who locked down the school and sat back as the killer was able to carefully pick off his targets.
"What happened today this was ridiculous. And I don't know what happened or what was going through this guy's mind," student Jason Piatt told CNN. "But I'm pretty outraged and I'll say on the record I'm pretty outraged that someone died in a shooting in a dorm at 7 o'clock in the morning and the first e-mail about it — no mention of locking down campus, no mention of canceling classes — they just mention that they're investigating a shooting two hours later at 9:22."
He added: "That's pretty ridiculous and meanwhile, while they're sending out that e-mail, 22 more people got killed."
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 4/16/2007 6:18:39 PM
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ZYNE
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ORIGINAL: Racerboy80
We can come up with a million situations why certain people shouldn't own guns and have used them to hurt themselves or somebody else, and as weaponsgalore put it there are a million different weapons people can use to kill, maim, injure, etc. I seem to remember where some fertilizer was used to blow up a building in Oklahoma City.
The bottom line is if people want to kill other people they will find a way to do it, and then me and the boys will hunt them down and put them behind bars, but I digress. People kill people and that is the bottom line. **** will happen and the only one to blame is the one who did the killing.
Yeah, that's another great approach ... let them kill THEN we do something .. like put them in jail .. hell ... we can put all of their kind in the same place, dump a crap load of guns and ammo in there and problem solved right!? The problem is never dealt with, only responded to ... very simple logic in effect here!
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 4/16/2007 6:26:43 PM
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Racerboy80
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Alrighty then Zyne...since you have they key on how to save the world...why don't you lay it out for us here. You have obviously thought this through and have some solution that the rest of the world has overlooked...so lay it on us. How do we stop people from killing people?
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 4/16/2007 6:38:33 PM
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Racerboy80
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We can go on debating this forever, so I digress. Bottom line is the situation sucks and it was a tragic event. I wish there was a simple way to solve the problem, but I know there is not.
< Message edited by Racerboy80 -- 4/16/2007 6:39:19 PM >
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 4/16/2007 6:43:11 PM
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I agree Sam. The problem is they won't blame the shooter. Some people will find a way to blame the government or society for not finding a way to help this person before he did this. Some things are just too effed up to understand.
My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone involved in this horrible action.
Yep its a cruel world, looking at the whole picture, I just cant see how you could have stopped what happpened today. Where theres a will theres a way!
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 4/16/2007 7:33:13 PM
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I just think its horrible and my thoughts and prayers go out to every family member.
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 4/16/2007 10:59:42 PM
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As a Cop it pains me now to agree that the only people & guns that fall under gun control will be the law abiding citizens. Nationally speaking, criminal gun owners, for the most part obtain their guns via illegal means.
Gun Control Regs. only govern those who buy their weapons legally, following the regulations!
Now, Assault weapons are a different deal for me. They were created for one reason - KILL HUMAN BEINGS. So those who feel the need to own them as collectors, either better render them inoperative & keep them securely locked away! Now, it wouldnt' eliminate the Criminal from obtaining them completely, but it could curtail their presence.
I'm certainly no expert, just my 2.5 cents.
David
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 4/17/2007 2:12:37 AM
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JM
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I agree with ZYNE 200%.
just have a look to the crime statistics in ythe USA and in Europe!
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 4/17/2007 3:31:05 AM
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ORIGINAL: blackstangs281
I agree Sam. The problem is they won't blame the shooter. Some people will find a way to blame the government or society for not finding a way to help this person before he did this. Some things are just too effed up to understand.
My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone involved in this horrible action.
Ditto!!!
That's all I'm gonna say on this touchy subject.
I just feel for the victims and their families!!!
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 4/17/2007 7:47:18 AM
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ZYNE
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I've said it and I'll say it again though it will have ZERO use as you simply don't want to hear it Racer .. limit the amount produced and you limit what ends up on the black market ... there's simple logic in this that is refused by ya'll because of YOUR take on the matter. Again, you can't steal and resale what doesn't exist. It appears as to me as long as ya'll get a chance to buy your guns, screw the downsides of the matter.
I hear all this talk about the criminals but when the point is made that people change from good to bad so to speak, I hear absolutely NO opinions on the matter which just tells me that your own approach to this is about as thought through as "I want my guns" and left at that.
Personally I don't understand the mentality of "So I can protect myself from the bad guy" ... the second you shoot and kill a person, you're a murderer as well, and yes, that makes you a bad guy. You simply can not remove yourself from the consequences of your actions because "the other guy pulled his gun first" ... it's a chicken **** mentality which unfortunately holds up in the courts in this country. Should you do nothing and get killed yourself? No, never said that .. but you should be treated according to the law when you do. I'm sure I'll get flamed for this to but hey, opinions are like azzholes right, we all have one and they all stink ...
And Thank You JM, another fellow european who knows the difference .. glad to see that! And to the couple of people who actually PM:ed to say it's cool to see someone make a good argument for something and stand by it .. thanks too :)
Bottom line here is .. problem will never be resolved as long as people don't want it resolved and that's ultimately the issue here .. and for the record I never once said remove them all .. I said LIMIT production so yes, you can still have your guns in my eyes .. there's an unfortunate need for them .. just not in the quantities they are produced .... we spend far more $ on figuring out better and more precise ways of killing each other instead of putting the time, effort, and money on the things that really matter ... but then again, there's no money to be made from for example homelessness so why not produce a more effective killing device instead ... lop sided here folks .. and totally lacking morals ...
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 4/17/2007 7:50:18 AM
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ZYNE
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Not gonna get all involved ..but Guns is what this country won it's indendence with and they have been around for over 200 hundred years here in the USA..Creeps and criminals will use anything to kill or rob with..guns are easier and quicker..Don't mean guns are any worse that they were 200 years ago...just that today's society glorifys the reckless use of them in the movies and in music and there is more people that are just crazy enough to use them with reckless disregard to human life..fix that sh!t and you won't have to worry about guns....Now I have guns to protect my me and family from these guys...Guns don't kill, people kill...
Ironically so does "good" people who flip or simply gets put in a situation to where that's their only out ... can at least ONE of you gun libs actually acknowledge this fact and realize it's not as clear cut as you think it is. And no den, guns don't kill people .. people with guns/weapons of any kind do. It requires human interaction and as long as we're "civilized" and "intelligent" it's a concious decision ... that line is a typical crap excuse to allow it to continue when in fact it once again serves no other purpose than to eliminate the consequence from the action!
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RE: 31 dead in VA tech shooting - 4/17/2007 7:58:41 AM
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ZYNE
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As a Cop it pains me now to agree that the only people & guns that fall under gun control will be the law abiding citizens. Nationally speaking, criminal gun owners, for the most part obtain their guns via illegal means.
Gun Control Regs. only govern those who buy their weapons legally, following the regulations!
Now, Assault weapons are a different deal for me. They were created for one reason - KILL HUMAN BEINGS. So those who feel the need to own them as collectors, either better render them inoperative & keep them securely locked away! Now, it wouldnt' eliminate the Criminal from obtaining them completely, but it could curtail their presence.
I'm certainly no expert, just my 2.5 cents.
David
And hand guns and your plain vanilla hunting rifle or shotgun is designed for what now? This is yet another excuse that simply doesn't hold up .. a 9mm pistol is designed to KILL just as much as an M16 .. nowhere near as effective obviously but lets at least be honest with their intent instead of making excuses even a blind man can see through ..
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