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RE: I've had it with this damn car! - 1/31/2007 8:28:57 AM   
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Tell me about it dude.  I might just take it back to your friends at Schepel.  TODAY they are going to take the ONE manual transmission H3 out that they MIGHT have on the lot out and drive it, then get in mine and drive it, so they can feel the difference.  I mean I know the differential isn't the easist thing to take out, but it's better then putzing around trying to figure it out.  They said they are friends with all the service guys at the dealer I bought it from, so I told them just have them fax you the repair order from when it happened the first time. 

And RutDog, it's actually fun driving the stick.  I had my PCM tuned with PCMforLess and that sucker hauls, faster then the 3.7 '07 H3 that they gave me as a loaner last time.  I love the stick and can't really picture myself having the Auto.  It's just not me. 

Oh, and I doubt it's the clutch since it's hydrolic, but anything is possible.  The reason why I don't think so is when you LOCK the 4x4, it doesnt do it, so I'm 99% sure it's the front differential

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RE: I've had it with this damn car! - 1/31/2007 9:02:38 AM   
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I had my PCM tuned with PCMforLess


Just a thought...  Is there a chance there's something worng with the tune..??  Something that make the engine respond with a jerk on deaccel.??

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RE: I've had it with this damn car! - 1/31/2007 1:38:47 PM   
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I usually try to put a sarcastic twist on my posts.  I guess that's the inner Azzhole in me, but I just can't do it here.  I feel bad for ya man. Are there other dealer's in the area that you could take it to?

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RE: I've had it with this damn car! - 1/31/2007 1:58:41 PM   
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I had my PCM tuned with PCMforLess


Just a thought...  Is there a chance there's something worng with the tune..??  Something that make the engine respond with a jerk on deaccel.??


I thought about that, but you can hear a sort-of chatter noise coming from the differential when you let up on the gas, and this was doing this way before the PCM was reprogrammed.  I just never had time to bring it in.

SG: The dealers are great in working with me, but since they haven't really seen it, it's something they really have to play around with since they haven't had much experience with the Manual trannys, but I hear Dennis and Dilo have PLENTY of experience with Trannies......

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RE: I've had it with this damn car! - 1/31/2007 2:23:42 PM   
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3. The infmaous problem with the car bouncing back and forth when taking my foot off the accelerator has gotten worse.



For your item #3 above:

I would have them check the brake system.  If I understand things correctly, the StabiliTrak / Dynamic Rear Proportioning functionality of the brake system is supposed to keep the thing from doing the bouncing you are describing.  If may have failed.

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RE: I've had it with this damn car! - 1/31/2007 2:25:15 PM   
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The manual transmission doesn't have Stabilitrak, only the automatics do.  They don't even offer it in a stick.  That's a good idea though!

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RE: I've had it with this damn car! - 1/31/2007 2:32:08 PM   
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The manual transmission doesn't have Stabilitrak, only the automatics do.  They don't even offer it in a stick.  That's a good idea though!


That's what I initially thought from something I read before.  But I noticed that the H3 web site states that StabiliTrak is standard on all H3s.  Is this not the case?

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RE: I've had it with this damn car! - 1/31/2007 2:35:32 PM   
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Wow.  They told me it's only offered on the Automatic's.  Maybe it's standard on all '07 models now, OR, maybe I do have it and the salesguy didn't know what he was talking about.  He told me Manual's don't have it.  That would explain why I'm having the braking problem as well.  This is interesting.  I'm going to look into this.

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RE: I've had it with this damn car! - 1/31/2007 2:37:53 PM   
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I believe in 07 stabilitrac is standard an both auto's and manuals. In 06 it was only available on autos.



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RE: I've had it with this damn car! - 1/31/2007 2:44:27 PM   
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Here is what the specs for the '06 says:

Drivetrain
Transmission: 4-speed automatic with Stabilitrak stability control standard. Manual available.
4-wheel drive: full-time two speed with manual locking center differential, electronic fully locking rear differential; brake-assisted traction control; with optional Adventure Package, crawl ratio is 69:1 with transfer case’s 4.03:1 low range gear reduction and lower 4.56:1 final drive axle ratio.

I can't find anything that officially says it does not come with it.  The dealer told me Stabilitrak is not offered on Manual transmissions because it doesn't need it since it has a clutch. 

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RE: I've had it with this damn car! - 1/31/2007 2:47:34 PM   
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I think so too IK.  Here's another quote from TopSpeed.com:

The system is augmented with features such as traction control, underbody shielding, an optional rear locking differential and StabiliTrak stability control with the automatic transmission.


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RE: I've had it with this damn car! - 1/31/2007 3:46:11 PM   
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  My '07 5-speed has stabili-trac (or however it's spelled).  I know because I had a message that it had failed a few days after getting it. I just un-plugged the battery for a minute and it has never come back on. When I turn off the traction control (to play in the snow) it scroles "stability system disabled" across the info screen until I turn the car off or turn the system back on.
If you still have problems and keep your Hummer, maybe you'll get lucky and they will loan you the next generation Impala... they (the SS) are going to be on a Holden platform and have huge flared fenders and an LS-2 motor. There is a pre-production one at American Axle right now and it looks pretty sweet!


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RE: The Verdict is in! NOTHING IS WRONG?!?!?! - 1/31/2007 3:46:16 PM   
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OK Guys.  I try very hard not to be a cynic, so I want your honest opinions.  Here is the verdict:

1) The reason why the brakes are so soft in the morning is because the cold weather is making the fuild contract which is leaving some space in the brake lines causing the pedal to go down far the first time you press them.  They checked the entire system for leaks, including the Master Cylinder seal/ring (whatever they called it) and said everything is fine.  They said the brake pads are barely half worn so they are ok. 

2) They could not get the surpentine belt to squeek at all, but checked the power steering motor, belt tensioner and Alternator for loose bolts and/or misalignment.  They said everything is fine, but to keep an eye on it.

-  side note: He said there is a known issue with the Power Steering pully being mis-aligned on the H3's causing the belt to squeek, but it was OK in mine.

3) The reason why the car is jerking or bouncing back and forth while laying off the gas is because as the car gets worn in (I have 30,000 miles on mine), the gears in the manual transmission and differential wears a little, causing more slack or space with the gearing.  They said they checked both differentials, the transmission, cv joints, drive shafts, everything for loose bolts and leaky gaskets, and couldn't find anything.  He said they tightened up everything but for the most part everything was in great shape.  He also said they know what I'm talking about and feel it but it's just a part of the H3 that changes over time and it shouldn't get any worse then what it is now, and it's within the specifications of what it's supposed to do.  That makes sense.

I told him all of my issues were newer issues and I wanted to make sure nothing was broken or going to break.  He said everything is in perfect shape and I have nothing to worry about.

SO, the end of the story, or just the beginning.................... 

They did a VERY thorough job though, so I'll probably be taking it to them again, but most likely my buddies at the Indiana dealer (which isn't that far from me).

What do you guys think?

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RE: The Verdict is in! NOTHING IS WRONG?!?!?! - 1/31/2007 3:52:01 PM   
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1) B.S.

2) & 3) If they actually did what they told you then there really isn't anything you can do about them but keep and eye and ear out incase it get's worse. Keep all of the documentation they give you on this stuff. I only say that for when it comes out of warranty and you have these issues again you can whip out the paperwork and give GM a call. :)

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RE: I've had it with this damn car! - 1/31/2007 3:52:01 PM   
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My '07 5-speed has stabili-trac (or however it's spelled).  I know because I had a message that it had failed a few days after getting it. I just un-plugged the battery for a minute and it has never come back on. When I turn off the traction control (to play in the snow) it scroles "stability system disabled" across the info screen until I turn the car off or turn the system back on.
If you still have problems and keep your Hummer, maybe you'll get lucky and they will loan you the next generation Impala... they (the SS) are going to be on a Holden platform and have huge flared fenders and an LS-2 motor. There is a pre-production one at American Axle right now and it looks pretty sweet!





Another fellow Manual Transmission owner.  WELCOME TO MY THREAD

The V6 LS I have is already too fast.  That thing's tires slip easily.  I can only imagine how fast the LS2 version is.  That's sweet!

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