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Greenblade -> diesel or alternative fuel modifications (3/19/2006 6:44:39 AM)
Does anybody have experience with, or know of someone with experience, converting an H2 to diesel or a flexible fuel motor (to run E85 gasoline)? I am very interested in something like this, particularily the flexible fuel option. The local dealer stated that it wasn't an official option, and they hadn't done it, but they couldn't say that it COULDN'T be done. GB

Dennis -> RE: diesel or alternative fuel modifications (3/21/2006 1:18:14 PM)
I'm not an expert on ethanol fuels (e85) but it is being done in other car manufactures. The fuel system has to be such that the ethanol won't eat on the various metals and seals within. The engine has to be tuned accordingly and the Injectors have to be a special build too. It ain't difficult for them to make cars for flex fuel..It's the oil industry that is the hold up...Ethanol is pretty much a regional product right now..you'll Find more of it in the northern plain States..Iowa, Nebraska, etc. Just think..If we the US could build more ethanol burning engines and diesels that burn Bio-diesel fuel (soybean, or peanut, or sunflower, etc) We could tell OPEC to take their oil and stuff it....Right now, Brazil is 85% to 90% oil independent, because they make their fuel (ethanol) out of sugar cane...Just imagine all the rich farmers the US would have if the US would go this way. [sm=rant.gif]

Greenblade -> RE: diesel or alternative fuel modifications (3/23/2006 4:18:39 AM)
Thats very interesting, Dennis, about Brazil. i'm not an expert on these things... but my interest was aroused when i caught the hummer bug. I found a local shop that claims to have a conversion kit to convert the h2 motor (also found in various GM trucks) to E-85 compatible. Apparently mileage suffers a bit, but power is retained more or less. My H2 arrives tomorrow, and i'm going to talk to them and ask for some customer references... i'll post the results.

Misster -> RE: diesel or alternative fuel modifications (3/24/2006 8:56:50 AM)
Here in Norway H2:s (and other trucks) have been converted for many years. Cleaner, cheaper( over 59% !) and politically correct ! The engine starts on gas, at 50 degrees celsius it switches over to propan automatically.

Dennis -> RE: diesel or alternative fuel modifications (3/24/2006 10:50:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Misster Here in Norway H2:s (and other trucks) have been converted for many years. Cleaner, cheaper( over 59% !) and politically correct ! The engine starts on gas, at 50 degrees celsius it switches over to propan automatically. That is nothing new here..Fork lifts and industrial trucks, UPS delivery trucks, Farm and rural vehicles have all been coverted to Propane...It's the filling stations that are scarce....But you folks in the European sector don't understand the American mentality..We want more power, bigger engines and squealing tires...Propane just doesn't give the getup and go that we like in our muscle cars...It's an American favorite passtime. [:D][sm=gears.gif]

shortbus -> RE: diesel or alternative fuel modifications (3/24/2006 11:10:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dennis the American mentality..We want more power, bigger engines and squealing tires... [:D][sm=gears.gif] i'm changing my programming from 87 to 93 octane. can't get 93 octane in CA, but i've talked with other people and it works good even with 87. more power, gotta love that.

Dennis -> RE: diesel or alternative fuel modifications (3/24/2006 1:23:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: shortbus quote: ORIGINAL: Dennis the American mentality..We want more power, bigger engines and squealing tires... [:D][sm=gears.gif] i'm changing my programming from 87 to 93 octane. can't get 93 octane in CA, but i've talked with other people and it works good even with 87. more power, gotta love that. Awesome![sm=smiley20.gif]..if it starts pinging a little on 87, try 89...etc, until it stops pinging...We only can get 92 here.

Misster -> RE: diesel or alternative fuel modifications (3/25/2006 4:48:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dennis quote: ORIGINAL: Misster Here in Norway H2:s (and other trucks) have been converted for many years. Cleaner, cheaper( over 59% !) and politically correct ! The engine starts on gas, at 50 degrees celsius it switches over to propan automatically. That is nothing new here..Fork lifts and industrial trucks, UPS delivery trucks, Farm and rural vehicles have all been coverted to Propane...It's the filling stations that are scarce....But you folks in the European sector don't understand the American mentality..We want more power, bigger engines and squealing tires...Propane just doesn't give the getup and go that we like in our muscle cars...It's an American favorite passtime. [:D][sm=gears.gif] All tests done here have given the same result: no loss of power whatsoever in comparison with gas. And if it was the case, one bhp or two in comparison to double the mileage... ...easy math [;)]

Dennis -> RE: diesel or alternative fuel modifications (3/25/2006 9:57:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Misster quote: ORIGINAL: Dennis quote: ORIGINAL: Misster Here in Norway H2:s (and other trucks) have been converted for many years. Cleaner, cheaper( over 59% !) and politically correct ! The engine starts on gas, at 50 degrees celsius it switches over to propan automatically. That is nothing new here..Fork lifts and industrial trucks, UPS delivery trucks, Farm and rural vehicles have all been coverted to Propane...It's the filling stations that are scarce....But you folks in the European sector don't understand the American mentality..We want more power, bigger engines and squealing tires...Propane just doesn't give the getup and go that we like in our muscle cars...It's an American favorite passtime. [:D][sm=gears.gif] All tests done here have given the same result: no loss of power whatsoever in comparison with gas. And if it was the case, one bhp or two in comparison to double the mileage... ...easy math [;)] I hate to disagree with you..But that is by the laws of BTUs/unit of fuel..Physically Impossible!..You can't even compare it to Miles per gallon of gasoline vs Miles per units of Propane...Sorry, but that is in the simplest terms, like comparing apples to coconuts.[sm=signs006.gif]..And as far MATH..Shucks, I never mess with that stuff..

Misster -> RE: diesel or alternative fuel modifications (3/26/2006 12:23:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dennis quote: ORIGINAL: Misster quote: ORIGINAL: Dennis quote: ORIGINAL: Misster Here in Norway H2:s (and other trucks) have been converted for many years. Cleaner, cheaper( over 59% !) and politically correct ! The engine starts on gas, at 50 degrees celsius it switches over to propan automatically. That is nothing new here..Fork lifts and industrial trucks, UPS delivery trucks, Farm and rural vehicles have all been coverted to Propane...It's the filling stations that are scarce....But you folks in the European sector don't understand the American mentality..We want more power, bigger engines and squealing tires...Propane just doesn't give the getup and go that we like in our muscle cars...It's an American favorite passtime. [:D][sm=gears.gif] All tests done here have given the same result: no loss of power whatsoever in comparison with gas. And if it was the case, one bhp or two in comparison to double the mileage... ...easy math [;)] I hate to disagree with you..But that is by the laws of BTUs/unit of fuel..Physically Impossible!..You can't even compare it to Miles per gallon of gasoline vs Miles per units of Propane...Sorry, but that is in the simplest terms, like comparing apples to coconuts.[sm=signs006.gif]..And as far MATH..Shucks, I never mess with that stuff.. Ok, I think you're right. And that I'm right ... Here the difference in prize is almost 2,5 x in disfavour of gas - therefore the hype for Propane. Total cost /mile is about 50% of gas[:)] Don't take me wrong - I'd rather operate with the gasprices you guys have !!

Dennis -> RE: diesel or alternative fuel modifications (3/26/2006 12:59:22 PM)
Good man![;)]..We can always agree to disagree..But like you said, it's the way you look at things in comparison, coupled with the benifit that you are hoping to gain in the comprimise..The reason the US fuel is less expensive than Europe's, is because we don't have high taxes on it by comparison to your's...Our (meaning your's and mine) base price for the fuel factoring out the taxes, are about the same..

Misster -> RE: diesel or alternative fuel modifications (3/27/2006 12:54:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dennis Good man![;)]..We can always agree to disagree..But like you said, it's the way you look at things in comparison, coupled with the benifit that you are hoping to gain in the comprimise..The reason the US fuel is less expensive than Europe's, is because we don't have high taxes on it by comparison to your's...Our (meaning your's and mine) base price for the fuel factoring out the taxes, are about the same.. Yeah ! Norway is one of the 3 richest countries in the world and has the HIGHEST gas prices of them all ! How many of you guys would drive a Hummer with a gas price of $1.65 ? Pr. liter ?! [:@]

Dennis -> RE: diesel or alternative fuel modifications (3/27/2006 8:31:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Misster quote: ORIGINAL: Dennis Good man![;)]..We can always agree to disagree..But like you said, it's the way you look at things in comparison, coupled with the benifit that you are hoping to gain in the comprimise..The reason the US fuel is less expensive than Europe's, is because we don't have high taxes on it by comparison to your's...Our (meaning your's and mine) base price for the fuel factoring out the taxes, are about the same.. Yeah ! Norway is one of the 3 richest countries in the world and has the HIGHEST gas prices of them all ! How many of you guys would drive a Hummer with a gas price of $1.65 ? Pr. liter ?! [:@] And some of the finest looking girls too[sm=loveeyes.gif]

Misster -> RE: diesel or alternative fuel modifications (3/27/2006 11:58:11 AM)
Yeah - we are lucky ! Some of them can be seen here, on my website: http://www.photocrew.no/index.gallery.php?mode=gallery&id=11 [:D]

Dennis -> RE: diesel or alternative fuel modifications (3/27/2006 10:11:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Misster Yeah - we are lucky ! Some of them can be seen here, on my website: http://www.photocrew.no/index.gallery.php?mode=gallery&id=11 [:D] My!..Is it always that chilly there?[sm=insomnia.gif]

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