RE: air filter study info
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RE: air filter study info - 12/21/2006 5:13:44 PM
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H3_Hummer
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ORIGINAL: importkiller
I don't know I didn't run the test myself, all I can go by is what the study showed and I copied it word for word. And all testing was done at an independant ISO certified test facility.
I copied your report and sent it off to the Amsoil Tech Dept. and this was their response to it.
Thank you for contacting AMSOIL with your concerns.
In response to your inquiry, AMSOIL is following up with the editors of this publication. To better serve our dealers and customers, AMSOIL partnered with worldwide leaders in filtration to develop the Ea nanofiber air filter. The EaA filter offers higher efficiency and better airflow than foam, oil wetted gauze, and conventional cellulose filters. AMSOIL has conducted testing of our products at ISO certified laboratories including Southwest Research Institute and with our filter partner Donaldson Company. AMSOIL does not know where the data in the magazine was generated.
AMSOIL is promoting the new Ea air filters as more efficient filtering technology, with some advantages in air flow over cellulose filters and, in fact, over our former foam TS filter. If we went head to head with K&N we would most likely not flow quite as well, but better than cellulose filters. In fact, race teams state they see little or no airflow difference between the oil wetted gauze and the AMSOIL EaAU. The EaA filters offer less restriction than the foam filters, at 200 scfm the restriction is 0.8 inches of water, while the foam filter is 1.1 inches of water, the oil wetted gauze filter is 0.6 inches of water at the same volume of air flow.
Using SAE J726 (ISO5011) test protocol and employing a mixture of A2 Fine Test Dust and carbon black to simulate on highway driving conditions, the cumulative efficiency of AMSOIL Ea filters with the nanofiber media is 99.5%. Oil wetted gauze filters, when tested with course test dust, have an efficiency of 99.1% while the foam filter was 99.5%. This testing was conducted at Southwest Research Institute.
Thank you again for the opportunity to respond to your concerns. As always, please feel free to contact us again if we can be of further assistance.
Sincerely,
Richard Holappa, Jr.
Technical Product Manager: Filtration
In the second part of your first post, the pass through of dirt, I would say that your sock theroy falls way short.
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RE: air filter study info - 12/21/2006 7:45:06 PM
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importkiller
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dude seriously, do you own amsoil stock, or borla? Anytime I say chit about any of them you feel the need to argue about it...I GET IT ,YOU LOVE BORLA AND AMSOIL......MOVE ON.
I didn't write the article, just copied it for members to read cause I though it was informative, sorry if it pissed in your amsoil cheerios. As far as the amsoil report they sent to you....NO DUH!!! I thought they would come out and say yea...they were right...our product really does blow.
as far as the test that AMSOIL used this is another passage from the article:
Basically, what they do is flow air through the filter from 1-120 microns in size. The ISO-5011 standard sets guidlines for the range and size of particles involved. The old testing standard was an SAEJ726, but this has been adopted by ISO and improves upon.
Maybe you should recontact Amsoil and tell tehm to try testing using the new standard, as the test they used to get the results they gave you is the OLD standard.
Reply to this any way you wish, but this will be my last post in the matter, I am tired of arguing with you just because you like a certain product.
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RE: air filter study info - 12/21/2006 8:09:51 PM
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K&N IS THE BEST AROUND
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RE: air filter study info - 12/21/2006 8:11:31 PM
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WOW. I was the one who first noticed that you seemed to come back (not me addressing you on any of the issues until I saw all your responses to mine) with a dig about what I posted. I am not arguing in the least? Just responding to my findings. It seems that you are the guy who has a chip on your shoulder about anything I post here. I only post fact and as with Amsoil, they don't do their own testing but farm it out to 2 companies. If you have a problem believing them....that is your problem not mine. I really don't think they are in business all this time selling BS?????
Maybe Jeep Magazine needs 2 companies to test for them? And just maybe that there is more to the Jeep test than Jeep wants you to know???? $$$$$$$
Now you are bringing up Borla..........I picked that you had something against my posts from the start when I first addressed you on it when jumping on the Borla issue. Why.......If everyone here is intitled to their own opinion why jump on me? I think it isn't the Borla or Amsoil issue....its just that you want me to just move on???? To me just because you don't like my opinion, you are trying to make me look bad as right after I posted about me bying an Amsoil air filter in another post, you come out with a post on they suck????
I see the real you in your posts. You need to get over other peoples opinions as I take yours with a grain of salt......
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RE: air filter study info - 12/21/2006 8:20:36 PM
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Well i like K&N and SMA CATBACK SYSTEM
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RE: air filter study info - 12/22/2006 6:25:36 AM
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Dennis and Dilo like K&N and they weren't rated the highest either but you don't see them calling it BS or a huge JP conspiracy. They also aren't making claims that I only posted it to make their filter look bad. It's a f'ing air filter for chits sake!!!
I never said anything about a conspiracy? Just mentioned that maybe the tilted the test as AEM, etc. advertise there.
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If Amsoil came off in the article as looking like crap then maybe you should contact JP magazine and bitch at them, as I only posted what they printed. Now you are claiming that JP magazine has some sort of conspiracy against amsoil. Again, you believe what you want...thats your right but please bitch to the author of the article, not me.
If you read the email I received.....Amsoil is contacting Jeep themselves!
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As far as borla, I have nothing against them and I posted that to you. I have a full header back borla system on my Camaro and love it. My opinion is that I don't think it is a good system for the h3....thats it...my opinion. Just because you post your opinion on a thread doesn't mean I can't post mine after....this is a message board, we aren't always going to agree.
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I GET IT ,YOU LOVE BORLA AND AMSOIL......MOVE ON.
If there isn't anything against me then why that come back? Borla wasn't even part of this conversation????? Why is it that anyone else can state their views but when I do, it gets under your skin?
I always thought this place as one that wasn't like all the other Forums where people can't get along but I see I was wrong. I never thought I would ever get into a pissing match with anyone over my views as they should be allowed as any other persons views without someone jumping on them as you have jumped on me. If a poster can't post his own views, thoughts, likes, dislikes, what worked for him, what didn't, then it would be a dull place to be. I never said anything to you other than ask some questions, give my feelings on a subject, or what I personally use, why jump on me for it. If I call a story BS, than it is my freedom of speech to say it no matter what you think.
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RE: air filter study info - 12/23/2006 6:23:22 AM
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Hey Dennis, if you read the email that Amsoil sent and I posted, they even said that Amsoil didn't beat K&N on some testing.
Another thing I would like to clear and then DROP THIS is that when I first posted to IK, I was talking to him but addressing Jeep Mag and who ever tested the filters. When I said BS, that was what I thought of the test and nothing to do with IK. When I then said LMOA, that too was addressing the report from Jeep and not IK. I really thought that his post to me wasn't called for and that if he wanted to say what he did, he could have just PMed me instead of making it public and that to me inforced what I had a feeling on. I then wanted to post a reply from Amsoil to show their side of how they test by 2 independent sources and not from an Amsoil test only.
For one of the moderators to reply to a member in this way is out of line! If anyone views here are taking to a point as he felt I shouldn't have replied and said MOVE ON, then that is censorship.
I really can see why he wouldn't put an expensive exhaust system on his H3 due to him only leasing it. If I leased, I wouldn't either. Hey, he brought up Borla here.....
Now, that I explained my first post and then a reply from Amsoil to even the story out. I will stop beating a dead horse......
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RE: air filter study info - 12/23/2006 1:33:14 PM
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Ok Jude, ready for this........ Your original responce was fine, here was my reply to your initial responce
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I don't know I didn't run the test myself, all I can go by is what the study showed and I copied it word for word. And all testing was done at an independant ISO certified test facility
Nothing bad there...correct?
Then you come back with the whole amsoil report that they sent you after you emailed them...and in YOUR reply you posted this
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In the second part of your first post, the pass through of dirt, I would say that your sock theroy falls way short.
THIS is what I got pissed at and was the FIRST arguementative thing mentioned in this thread....so you see sir, it was YOU that started the chit...not me. And to mention to Dennis that my bieng a mod and treating you this way is unacceptable is a complete JOKE!!!!!
To that post of yours the only thing I replied with was this:
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dude seriously, do you own amsoil stock, or borla? Anytime I say chit about any of them you feel the need to argue about it...I GET IT ,YOU LOVE BORLA AND AMSOIL......MOVE ON.
And it's 100% true!!! EVERY time someone posts somthing questioning Amsoil or borla you feel the need to post articles, charts email responces from the company to prove your right and they are the best.....my question is why? And don't start the censorship bullchit with me....We all will have different views on a lot of things, your acting like someone saying amsoil blows is a personal attack on you...take a friggen chill pill bro. IT's AN F'ING AIR FILTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AS far as me leasing and not wanting to put an expensive muffler on my h3...WTF does that mean? I have more money in my h3 that most here bro.....I don't care that it's a lease, very easy to take an exhaust system off and put the stocker back on once the lease is up!! I WILL SAY THIS NICE AND BIG FOR YOU......I DON"T HAVE A BORLA BECAUSE I THINK THEY SUCK ON THE H3...did you get that ok?!?! I don't care how high between the frame rails they sit, it is still in danger of getting hit and hit hard on the trail...thats all I ever said about borla and all I ever will say about it. If you don't offroad then its a great system for you, if you do then it's waste. Gas tanks sit pretty high above the frame rails on most trucks, and yet I have destroyed two and had to go to a fuel cell in my old jeep to prevent it from getting smashed, so please don't tell me that the borla location is safe....cause it's not.
SO again...YOU STARTED any arguement by claiming this was MY THEORY.....NOT ME!!!!!
Next time get your facts straight before cying to Dennis
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RE: air filter study info - 12/23/2006 3:19:58 PM
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H3_Hummer
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In the second part of your first post, the pass through of dirt, I would say that your sock theroy falls way short.
What was argumentative about that? I was stating that the Sock theory you found was unfounded as how would a sock compare to a filter that a company woiuld be selling. BTW, where is the report on that one? I would love to see it and the source so I can contact them and then send it off to Amsoil for their response. I mean, they should have their opinion stated here too if some one put them down with a report? Right?????
I did a serch on the web and couldn't find the report you stated here. Please post where you found it.
I still see that you need to chill out as it comes across that some how...I piss you off with my posts???? I psot charts for knowledge to others. Sort of what Dennis always says that this thread is usless without pictures????? At least I post where I found the info.
I know your feelings on the borla, you see to ram this down my throat with every post to me.....I don't do the dirt thing and it is mostly made for the street dude......why put chrome on the exhaust tips and then smash them?
Why didn't you smart buy if you put all this money into it or why not just buy it if you have all the money to sink in it? Don't bother answering as I am not a bit interested in your private matters.
Again, when I stated YOUR THEORY I meant your post about what YOU READ! NOT YOUR PERSONAL VIEWS OR FEELINGS!!!!!!!
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RE: air filter study info - 12/23/2006 3:48:13 PM
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importkiller
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when you said "your sock theory" I took it to mean what it said...a theory made up by me. Now if you would have said "the sock theory that you were talking about" or something like that then there would have been no problem. If that is what you meant then forgive me as I didn't take it that way, and this whole arguement should be dropped.
AS far as me leasing, it has nothing to do with my finances, I leased the 3 because I was always told by my dad to never buy a first year production vehicle because of certain bugs/problems that need to worked out. I'm glad I listened to him cause I am having the head vavle problem, and there are also better engine choices bieng released in 08 or 09 that I will be turning mine in for and unlike buying I will not take nay financial hit on it. Everything I have added to my h3...rim/tires, headrest monitors,visor monitor,dvd,3 amps, 3 sub, 61/2" components in the front doors, 6 1/2 2 ways in the rear doors,line level converter/booster, wiring,distr. blocks,fuse blocks,HID lights, they can all come out and be put into whatever vehicle I get next.
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