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RE: HUMMER 2007 - 2/26/2006 6:49:29 PM
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dilo2001gt
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Hummer Truck: GM has said in the past that they think a pickup truck would fit into the Hummer lineup. Expect to see one based on the H3T concept sometime in 2008.
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RE: HUMMER 2007 - 3/3/2006 9:34:01 PM
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archer
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How sure are we that the 07 will have the bigger engine? I hear different stories. I am working on ordering an 06 and drove it already - the power was not great but I think I can live with it. However, I would hate to buy a 40k H3 only to find that no one is interested in it once the larger engine comes out. In other words, won't the value of the 'weaker' H3's dramatically decrease? And wouln't GM want to avoid that?
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RE: HUMMER 2007 - 3/4/2006 5:39:24 AM
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hummerific
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i think it'll be fine. After all lots of cars/trucks are offered with different engines and even though this gas mileage is not really great. the biggen motor will get even worse mileage. And there will always be lots of people who choose mileage over power.
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RE: HUMMER 2007 - 3/4/2006 11:03:48 AM
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hummerific
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Good info, do you happen to know if it'll be a 6 or still 5 cylinder?
I don't see why some americans are getting all excited about diesels. The only reason europeans drive em is because diesel is cheaper. Gas is still so cheap in america that I too dont see a reason to introduce a diesel in the states.
Is anyone here more interested in a diesel than gas?
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RE: HUMMER 2007 - 3/4/2006 12:36:19 PM
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dilo2001gt
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You get more mile per gallon on Diesel
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RE: HUMMER 2007 - 3/28/2006 11:56:45 PM
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Linus Gump
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Unless I misunderstood my sources in the fuel storage and refining business, the biggest problem with biodiesel is that it requires more energy to refine it then what you can potentially get out of it. Even the vegitable oil that people get from thier favorite fast food/ oreintal food place requires either heating up to reduce its viscosity, or chemically altering it to reduce its viscosity; this is above the cost of filtering out all of the food particles. Either way, it still isn't as cost effective as petrolium diesel, although it does burn cleaner and is a renewable source. The ultra low sulfer fuel, as far as I understand, is run through a finer filter when hot to remove the extra sulfer. Although this does add a small increase in cost of refining, the biggest delay in that is getting enough engines out there that can safely burn it. It is my understanding that the ultra low causes higher combustion tempretures which in turn cause the engine to run hotter. Also, with catylatic converters being put on light diesel vehicles, the sulfer will plug them up.
As kind of a heads up in the diesel engine world, all semi trucks manufatured as a 2005 or newer must now have an "ultra low emissions" engine. What this has meant to most of the engine manufaturers is that they have now added an EGR system to them, just like what is in your car. This has created higher purchasing cost and operating temps as well, but counteracted with a bigger radiator. These requirements technology will eventually be brought down into the light duty world as well.
One final note, all gasoline from the major refineries is now ultra low sulfer as well. The smaller refineries will be following soon. I bet you didn't even know sulfer was in gas. I didn't and I deliver it
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RE: HUMMER 2007 - 3/29/2006 11:25:11 AM
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Linus Gump
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That very well could be; I just deliver the stuff. I do know price wise bio diesel is sold around here (Portland, OR) for $3.299 and petrol diesel is $2.869. The bio is only a 20% bio/petrolium blend, and there are only about 4 places that sell it. I think what my buddy was trying to say, though, is that it consumes more energy (electricity) to refine biodiesel then the potential energy you could get out of the biodiesel. The first engine built by Mr. Diesel, the German engineer that the engine is named after, was run on peanut oil. I couldn't tell you how efficient or powerful it was though.
Don't get me wrong, though, growing up my dream truck was a 3/4 ton Dodge 4X4 with the Cummins solely because of the efficiency and power of the engine. I eventually got a Ford Powerstroke (dont ask) and traded out of it last summer becausre I couldn't afford to feed it just to drive to work and back. Now I grocery-get and commute in a '06 Corrolla, and play with the H3.
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RE: HUMMER 2007 - 3/29/2006 1:09:57 PM
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Dennis
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Linus Gump
That very well could be; I just deliver the stuff. I do know price wise bio diesel is sold around here (Portland, OR) for $3.299 and petrol diesel is $2.869. The bio is only a 20% bio/petrolium blend, and there are only about 4 places that sell it. I think what my buddy was trying to say, though, is that it consumes more energy (electricity) to refine biodiesel then the potential energy you could get out of the biodiesel. The first engine built by Mr. Diesel, the German engineer that the engine is named after, was run on peanut oil. I couldn't tell you how efficient or powerful it was though.
Don't get me wrong, though, growing up my dream truck was a 3/4 ton Dodge 4X4 with the Cummins solely because of the efficiency and power of the engine. I eventually got a Ford Powerstroke (dont ask) and traded out of it last summer becausre I couldn't afford to feed it just to drive to work and back. Now I grocery-get and commute in a '06 Corrolla, and play with the H3.
Yeah...there is some minor drawbacks right now to the production of Bio-diesel...The power lost is 10% for B100 (pure Bio) and 2% for the 20% blend (B20)..But that will soon change with engine refinement...But the auto and Bio-fuel industry are going to need to get on the same page for this concept to work nationally and economically..Not enough crop land yet set up. The processing is still upside down in the costs vs benifit of production as you said..But as anything, the supply and demand sorta thing will equalize those cost issues eventually...But as soon as most fuel burning customers realize the OIL in the ground is limitied and the fuel we can grow is unlimited, it will swing...They are even researching certain types of oil producing algeas to make this Bio-fuel from..So we are on the brink of the next generation of fuels, just a matter of time before it's full scale.
< Message edited by Dennis -- 3/29/2006 1:11:31 PM >
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RE: HUMMER 2007 - 3/29/2006 1:24:20 PM
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Dennis
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Dennis
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ORIGINAL: Linus Gump
That very well could be; I just deliver the stuff. I do know price wise bio diesel is sold around here (Portland, OR) for $3.299 and petrol diesel is $2.869. The bio is only a 20% bio/petrolium blend, and there are only about 4 places that sell it. I think what my buddy was trying to say, though, is that it consumes more energy (electricity) to refine biodiesel then the potential energy you could get out of the biodiesel. The first engine built by Mr. Diesel, the German engineer that the engine is named after, was run on peanut oil. I couldn't tell you how efficient or powerful it was though.
Don't get me wrong, though, growing up my dream truck was a 3/4 ton Dodge 4X4 with the Cummins solely because of the efficiency and power of the engine. I eventually got a Ford Powerstroke (dont ask) and traded out of it last summer becausre I couldn't afford to feed it just to drive to work and back. Now I grocery-get and commute in a '06 Corrolla, and play with the H3.
Yeah...there is some minor drawbacks right now to the production of Bio-diesel...The power lost is 10% for B100 (pure Bio) and 2% for the 20% blend (B20)..That means it would take 1.1 gallons of bio-diesel to equal the same power in 1 gallon of petrol diesel..But that will soon change with engine refinement...But the auto and Bio-fuel industry are going to need to get on the same page for this concept to work nationally and economically..Not enough crop land yet set up. The processing is still upside down in the costs vs benifit of production as you said..But as anything, the supply and demand sorta thing will equalize those cost issues eventually...But as soon as most fuel burning customers realize the OIL in the ground is limitied and the fuel we can grow is unlimited, it will swing...They are even researching certain types of oil producing algeas to make this Bio-fuel from..So we are on the brink of the next generation of fuels, just a matter of time before it's full scale.
< Message edited by Dennis -- 3/29/2006 1:25:42 PM >
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