Out on de Brakes Boss!
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RE: Out on de Brakes Boss! - 11/21/2006 12:55:34 PM
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ZYNE
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Someone lost their licenses over this ... no 1 year suspension on this one! FAA probably slow cooked his a$$ knowing them right!
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RE: Out on de Brakes Boss! - 11/23/2006 4:14:08 AM
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HummBob
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Dumbass!!
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RE: Out on de Brakes Boss! - 11/23/2006 9:04:43 PM
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Linus Gump
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I'd like to see the NTSB repeort on that. Anybody have any more info about it, like when it was, or what airport it was at?
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RE: Out on de Brakes Boss! - 11/24/2006 11:45:06 AM
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ZYNE
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Cessna 525A, May 15th 2005 - Bader Field (Airport) Atlantic City NJ.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20050526X00676&ntsbno=NYC05LA085&akey=1
Landed long with a 10 knot tail wind, too short of a runway even if he had touched down just after the numbers. Pilots chart clearly had the airport marked as "Closed to jet aircraft" ... I dunno if anyone here flys but I personally check out a new airport both online using google earth as well as on my charts BEFORE I even do my preflight ... Pilot should definitely lose his ratings over this one!
< Message edited by ZYNE -- 11/24/2006 12:12:05 PM >
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RE: Out on de Brakes Boss! - 11/25/2006 12:14:12 AM
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Linus Gump
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I am a private SEL as well, and that is why I wanted to see the NTSB. Looks like you got to it before me, so thanks for the leg work. I agree. Any time I fly to somewhere I have never been, I look it up in the most current AFD AND check for NOTAM's for the airport and vacinity. Nothing would suck worse than flying somewhere and expecting to land, but then find out the runway is closed due to repaivng in progress, or land and there not be fuel available because the pumps/tanks are being renovated. I try to know everything about my flight before I even leave the house for the airport, just like the FAA requires.
There are so many similarities between this flight and another one that happened somewhere in the MidWest. This one was a Citation too, I beleive, but it happened in snowy weather. The pilot landed with a substantial tail wind because he wanted to use the ILS instead of diverting to his alternate. They slid down the runway, through the ILS ground equipment, through a fence and across a road before coming to a stop in a department store parking lot, impacting cars and curbs, which removed the landing gear, and ruptured one of tthe fuel tanks and dumping 1200 gallons of Jet-A on the ground. Both instances seem to be a bad case of Get-there-itis.
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RE: Out on de Brakes Boss! - 11/25/2006 10:56:18 AM
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ZYNE
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You would think the pilot would've gotten a clue just by looking at his chart :/ Luckily only one minor injury but could've been A LOT worse! Get-there-itis can burn you bad at best and kill you on a bad day. I've personally never put myself in that situation, I'll rather divert from the flight plan and get down SAFELY. I've only had two incidents flying, a busted attitude indicator that froze on me just as I got cleared for take off and a landing light that burned out on short final after a night flight. Neither of course were a major issue but aborted the flight with the faulty instrument and the landing light ... well, the runway lights did their job and figured it was easier just to put her down than do a go-around to assess the situation ...
The worst one I've seen was a Super Twin Otter with a faulty nose wheel indicator. The indicator stated the nose wheel was centered/straight when in fact it was almost 90 degrees off to the right. Plane came in for a landing and proceeded to perform a 1.2 million dollar cartwheel down the grass strip. This was a skydiving plane so only the pilot was onboard, the rest had exited at 13 grand. Needless to say the plane was totalled. Ironically enough it had been in for it's scheduled maintenance a few weeks earlier, the wheel indicator had been written up prior to that and supposedly addressed during the maintenance. Turns out it was a "paper fix" but nothing had been done mechanically. I know the pilot quite well as he has flown at the dropzone I frequent and was glad to hear only minor bumps, bruises, and a few cuts resulted from it.
To me the pilot should have caught this during pre-flight but then again most dropzones are so busy the props never stop turning between loads. Just glad it wasn't storming that day and the jumpers had to ride the plane down due to lightning in the area :/
If I can find the full video of our CASA 212 sucking a fan blad through the turbine I'll post it. It was on take off, nose wheel already off the ground and a blade detached in the left turbine and proceeded to shred it .. 6 foot flames and debris shooting out the back ... I don't think I've EVER gotten out of an aircraft that fast in my life!
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RE: Out on de Brakes Boss! - 11/25/2006 11:31:38 AM
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Sugardaddy
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Just plain stupid.
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RE: Out on de Brakes Boss! - 11/25/2006 12:44:16 PM
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Injunfarian
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That would suck!!! I had the breaks fail on a Cessna I was piloting once... thank god I found it while doing the run up!
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RE: Out on de Brakes Boss! - 11/25/2006 10:28:18 PM
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Linus Gump
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Between an AFD, and the approach plate saying "Not for jet use," you would really think he would get a clue. I believe Citations are dual pilot certificated and that means that the copliot also screwed up as well. Either that, or the pilot was flying solo, which adds to his failures. Being a foreign pilot, I hope he is not allowed back in our airspace, and hopefully his version of the FAA will not allow him to enter thier airpace anymore.
I test my brakes on start up and during taxi, and then the ultimate test is run up. I also give them a tap on short final to make sure they are there so there are no suprises when I'm on the ground. The only incidences I've had are the landing light failure at night, REIL and edge lights are worth thier weight in gold at that point, and I had my DG freeze on me just after entering class Bravo in SLC. I just took off and wanted to get the hell out of that area, and was cleared to transition. ATC told me to fly 010, but I read back 110 and was trying to figure out which way I needed to turn to make the compass work, and maintain altitude all the while ACT is getting on me for not flying my assigned heading. Finally he comes on and asks if I'm not reading him, "Because I told you 010, that's 10 degrees to the right of North, and you read back 110 and are flying 080 and turning right." I told him, "I read loud and clear, but I am trying to comply, fly and deal with mechanical failure at the same time. I'm a little overwelmed at the moment." After that he was real nice to me, and of course my DG started to work about that time too.
Now I'm curious. How many pilots are on this thing anyway?
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