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locker not locking - 7/2/2008 1:43:58 PM
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nicos
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had to use my rear locker while offroading the other day but couldnt get it work.
going up a slope,rear right started spinning,put in neutral and hit the diff lock button.
light came on but didnt hear anything,when i hit the gas the rear right was still spinning!
tried a few more times but reversed out.
am i doing something wrong or do i have a problem?
there are no trouble codes on the display.
if there is a problem,can somebody please advise were i should start checking,is there a fuse or relay i should check before taking the diff cover off?
pls advice!
thanks
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RE: locker not locking - 7/2/2008 3:42:30 PM
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Desert Dan
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Have you tried the rear locker since then?
sometimes it take a few second for the locker to engage and won''t if teh internal parts aren''t lined up properly
If you are moving while trying to engage the locker make sure you are going in a straight line and not spinning your wheels.
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RE: locker not locking - 7/2/2008 8:08:18 PM
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Doc Olds
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Nicos....whazzz up brud.
Desert Dan has a good point. The locking pins have to be lined up for it to engage, and it does take a second or two.
I also noted you said you tried to engage it from neutral? T case neutral, or Transmission neutral? The T case has to be in 4Lo Lock
or the rear diff will NOT lock up.
From the manual:To lock the rear axle, do the following: 1. Place the transfer case in the 4LO Lock mode. This is the only mode which will allow the rear axle to lock. See All-Wheel Drive on page 2-22 for more information regarding the transfer case and 4LO Lock mode. 2. Press the button with the vehicle stopped or moving less than 2 mph (3 km/h). You must wait for the light in the button to stop flashing and remain illuminated before the rear axle is locked. Notice: If you try to lock the rear axle while your vehicle is stuck and the tires are spinning, you could damage your vehicle’s drivetrain. The repairs would not be covered by your warranty. Always lock the rear axle before attempting situations and/or navigating terrain which could possibly cause the vehicle to become stuck. The locking rear axle will be disengaged when the wheel speed is greater than 20 mph (32 km/h), if the vehicle’s battery is low and/or the transfer case is shifted out of 4LO Lock mode.
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RE: locker not locking - 7/2/2008 8:42:49 PM
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General
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quote:
ORIGINAL: nicos
...light came on but didnt hear anything...
But nicos said the light came on. That should mean he did well. But I also would try it again on plain surface without hitting the brake. For giving a bit movement to the locker I would let the truck roll very slow...
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RE: locker not locking - 7/2/2008 10:55:35 PM
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nicos
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guys i did all the above,a couple of times!still doesnt engage and what worries me is that im sure i could hear it engaging before.
i am in 4lo lock when engaging in gearbox neutral not transfercase neutral.
i think there is an elecrical problem.
can someone pls advice if there is a fuse/relay i can check?
also were is the control unit that sends signal to the rear diff?
thanks for all your help!
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RE: locker not locking - 7/3/2008 12:27:43 AM
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Sewie
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First - you do not need to put the t-case or tranny in neutral to engage the locker. You just need to have it 4lo.
If the light is coming on (and staying lit) then the problem is not likely electrical. The locker is controlled by one of the computers (BCM, PCCM, whatever). If the switch lights, then the coil is energizing. If you''re still not getting power to both wheels, its likely you''ve rounded over or broke the pins on the locker. Warranty time.
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RE: locker not locking - 7/3/2008 4:51:14 AM
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General
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I guess that would be something you could hear. That should make a hard ratteling sound. Where is the sensor located which sends the information that the locker is locked? Or is there no sensor, is it only a signal from the BCM only to indicate the locker is adviced to lock? In this case I would check the voltage directely at the locker to check if it''s activated while pushing the button.
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RE: locker not locking - 7/3/2008 11:09:12 AM
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I don''t see any reference to it in the BCM or PCM wiring. It may be handled by the transfer case module (behind the cover on the passenger end of the dash).
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RE: locker not locking - 7/3/2008 1:16:24 PM
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nicos
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i tried it again today but reversed a bit as soon as i hit the button,i think i heard a slight clunk so may be it engaged!
i will try it offroading on the weekend to make sure.
what i dont understand is that the light on the locker button comes on immediately when i hit it,no flashing.
shouldnt it flash like the low lock button and stay on when its properly locked?
if say i was in a situation were i am in low range trying to go up a hill and get spin on one of the rear tyres,should i hit the diff lock and reverse a bit then try again or should i just hit the diff lock while stopped and go(as i did last time but diff didnt lock)
sorry for asking its just that my previous truck didnt have a locker and i havent used the H3 on sections were the locker was needed until now!
thanks again for all the replys!
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RE: locker not locking - 7/3/2008 1:28:42 PM
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I was reading somewhere that it''s ideal to engage the locker prior to a wheel spin condition. Once the wheel has started spinning it can sometimes be difficult for the locker to engage? Or maybe they just mean the obvious that you don''t want a spinning wheel condition to begin with.
Quote from the following site: "Ideally, differentials should be (manually) locked before traction is lost and wheels start spinning."
http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/diff_locks.html
If you anticipate losing traction at some point on the trail, it would make sense to engage it prior. Whether or not that would effect the engagement process after a wheel spin condition I''m not sure (I doubt it). I don''t have any literature as of yet as to how the Hummer lockers excatly work...
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RE: locker not locking - 7/3/2008 1:29:44 PM
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I guess what I''''m asking is when you tried engaging it was the one wheels still spinning?
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RE: locker not locking - 7/3/2008 7:18:09 PM
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Y''all know that thing cuts out at 20 MPH right? If your wheel was spinning at 20 or above it won''t lock.
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RE: locker not locking - 7/4/2008 12:50:32 AM
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Sewie
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Steve #1
I don''''''''t see any reference to it in the BCM or PCM wiring. It may be handled by the transfer case module (behind the cover on the passenger end of the dash).
That''''s the one - TCCM. I knew it was one them damn *CM''''s.  
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RE: locker not locking - 7/4/2008 1:04:05 AM
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Sewie
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You don''t want to engage the locker while the wheels are spinning. Ideally, you should come to a complete stop and then engage the locker.
The light will light up when the computer senses the coil is energized.
From Eaton''s documentation...
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When the switch is activated, electric current is supplied to a powerful electromagnet. As the electromagnet is energized, a torque is created on a drag-plate that activates a ramping mechanism. The ramping mechanism, in turn, translates rotational force into the axial motion of a locking mechanism. The locking mechanism engages into slots or tabs on the differential side gear and locks the side gear rotation to the differential housing. The result is on-demand traction and a fully locked differential. Once the obstacle is overcome and the Eaton ELocker™ differential is deactivated through the switch, a series of return springs promptly force the locking mechanism to disengage and the Eaton ELocker™ differential again operates as an “open” differential.
Our e-locker uses pins. It may take a little movement for the pins to engage if they''re not lined up when the locker is activated. But it shouldn''t take much to get it to engage. A quick test is to lift both rear wheels off the ground and spin one wheel by hand. When the locker is not engaged the wheels should spin in opposite directions. If the locker is engaged, they should spin in the same direction.
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RE: locker not locking - 7/4/2008 6:44:30 AM
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nicos
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i was moving very slowly when the rear right started spinning.
as soon as this happened i hit the brakes,put the gearbox in neutral,hit the diff lock button,light came on,went into first and continued.
the rear right was still spinning so i assumed the locker did not lock.
i then reversed out onto flat ground and engaged the locker again,that gave the truck a few feet to move before going up the slope again.still rear right was spinning!
am i doing anything wrong?
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