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RE: Hummer & SUVs Head for Bad Times - 5/25/2008 7:50:45 AM

rhill20

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Scooby Doo = Van?

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RE: Hummer & SUVs Head for Bad Times - 5/25/2008 8:41:47 AM

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I leased mine. In September when the lease is up I'll just hand them the keys. Then it will be GM's problem. That's one of the 10 or so major advantages to leasing.

In 2009 or 2010 they are supposed to do a deisel. They should be doing a small turbo-deisel, or a 2.5 to 3.0L direct-injection turbo gas engine.

Even more,...they need to knock 1,000 lbs out of it. Make it unibody for starters. But build in some sub-frame reinforcing points.

Then they can make reinforcing rails that bolt on with the towing package.

And the aftermarket can make longer reinforcing rails that attach the front and rear subframes for the guys that are going to do serious offroading. This would leave the vehicle much lighter and more efficient for the other 95% of owners.

I'd like to see;
Light-weight fiberglass leaf springs. (that lower the rear 1" and save 40 lbs)
Aluminum 2.8L direct-injection turbo 4cyl engine. (280 hp, 300 tq)
Get rid of the antique body-on-frame design in favor of something made in the last 30 years like uni-body.
6-speed trans

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RE: Hummer & SUVs Head for Bad Times - 5/25/2008 9:52:22 AM

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I saw an article the other day that $4 a gallon is actually a good deal as compared to many other countries as well as rising inflation. Obviously it isn't a great deal, but as the market turns and revenues increase, prices will seem reasonable again. It's like talking to your grandfather and when he says he remembers when cars cost $3 grand...that used to be expensive in those days.

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RE: Hummer & SUVs Head for Bad Times - 5/25/2008 10:27:39 AM

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It's like talking to your grandfather and when he says he remembers when cars cost $3 grand...that used to be expensive in those days.

Good comparison

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RE: Hummer & SUVs Head for Bad Times - 5/25/2008 10:32:58 AM

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I am reading this thread with a bit of intrest because I want an H3 in the worst way. However for my household the price of gas is cutting into our family budget. So I have made the decision to wait until the 2010 model year is released (next September??). In 2010 the 3.7, I-5 will be history replaced by a 3.6, V-6 plus a six speed automatic trasmission for all H3 models. This V-6 has cylinder deactivation (GM's displacement on demand). I antisipate with the slightly smaller V-6, and 6-speed transmission, we will see better MPGs. I also think GM needs to look at a different transfer case which provides a 2wd mode for highway driving and putting the H3 on bit of a diet.

In the mean time while I wait for the 2010's to come to life, I'm looking at getting a scooter or a motor cycle to drive to work and back.

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RE: Hummer & SUVs Head for Bad Times - 5/25/2008 10:44:37 AM

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Got it. never had one of those.

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RE: Hummer & SUVs Head for Bad Times - 5/25/2008 10:47:08 AM

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Diesel is now $1.02 higher than regular gas here in SoCal. Not sure the diesel is that much more efficient than the gas motor. My gas F-250 got only slightly less mpg than my diesel F-250. The diesel towed better due to the extra torque but I don't think it would pay gas wise based on current prices, especially since you have to pay so much more for the diesel package.

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RE: Hummer & SUVs Head for Bad Times - 5/25/2008 10:48:23 AM

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Got it. never had one of those.

Not sure if I'm right on that or not, was just thinking of the Mystery Machine.

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RE: Hummer & SUVs Head for Bad Times - 5/25/2008 10:49:37 AM

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Good guess, we'll see if it's right.

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RE: Hummer & SUVs Head for Bad Times - 5/25/2008 12:10:12 PM

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O.K.

Scooby-Doo is a refrence to the cartoon.

Those who own Late 60's to early 70 GM, Ford, and Dodge vans in which the engine sat between the driver seat and the passenger seat. These vans had no front end to speak of and you the driver and passenger sat on top of the front wheels. Those vans looked just like the Mystery machine (I have always admired these vans). They are also know as surfer vans, hippie vans and love machines.

also

People who own Subaru products (as I once did) often refer to them as scoobs. I do not know the origin of this.

So I hope that helps

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RE: Hummer & SUVs Head for Bad Times - 5/25/2008 12:23:01 PM

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Guess I was right!

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RE: Hummer & SUVs Head for Bad Times - 5/25/2008 12:30:01 PM

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You got 18-19 mpg in a 4x4 dually? My wife's 4x4 diesel F-250 makes me smile when it hits 15 mpg.

Yep, but I drove with economy in mind (no jackrabbit starts,etc...). 6spd with ~3.70 rearend and I NEVER drove over 65 (actually drove @ 63). The Cummins is a freakin' fuel miser, especially with an aftermarket tune. I had an aftermarket tune and a better exhaust and those were the only mods. Pure city I would get around 16 but on the highway 19 and even sometimes 20 was no problem (once again, staying below 65). Cummins makes an inline 4 cylinder which would be perfect in an H3 - especially with a manual tranny.

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RE: Hummer & SUVs Head for Bad Times - 5/25/2008 1:42:43 PM

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Scooby Doo?

Subaru.

http://www.autoqna.com/auto-makes/1321-car-makes-4.html

Rut row, Raggy!

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RE: Hummer & SUVs Head for Bad Times - 5/25/2008 3:11:49 PM

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Well... I love Humzilla. I feel safe and for me I can't justify compromising my safety for gas mileage

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RE: Hummer & SUVs Head for Bad Times - 5/25/2008 3:26:11 PM

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We may not be able to give our Hummers away!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/05/23/dumping.suvs/index.html

THats funny...My dealer can't get H-3's fast enough & said that the H-2's are still flying out the door as soon as they arrive. Granted they sell more 3's, but he did say that the H-2's are 25% of hi s business.

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