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sway bars - 5/21/2008 9:46:18 AM
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spaustin889
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hey guys, got a hummer happening event in a few days and i think i am gonna take my sway bars off (just for the event). i did quite a bit of searching and didnt really find anyone else who has taken theres off. i did find a post or two about using some jeep sway bar disconnects in the rear with a shackle flip, but thats not what im looking for. i just wanted to take them off for the ride on saturday and they will go back on as soon as i get my truck clean.
you think i will have any problems?
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RE: sway bars - 5/21/2008 11:35:46 AM
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spaustin889
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well i've been outside working on getting them off for about 30mins and they will just not come.....maybe an air wrench will help, most likely
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RE: sway bars - 5/21/2008 2:07:14 PM
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Sewie
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well i've been outside working on getting them off for about 30mins and they will just not come.....maybe an air wrench will help, most likely
They use ball joints so you need to secure the bolt, otherwise the joint will just spin. Use an allen wrench in the end of the bolt and an open end wrench on the nut.
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RE: sway bars - 5/21/2008 2:10:08 PM
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Sewie
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As to your original question...
I don't think you'll gain much in the front since its IFS. You'll get more droop of course, but you won't get the forced down pressure like you do with a SFA. Also, you may run into issues with extreme CV angles.
I've got the discos in the rear, and honestly, I've only taken them off once. There's actually quite a bit of flex in the rear, especially with the longer shackles. And you usually need the flex more in the front anyways.
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RE: sway bars - 5/21/2008 4:08:01 PM
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alrock
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Have fun at the happening and take pics!
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RE: sway bars - 5/21/2008 5:01:17 PM
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H3Dude812
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I would try using the disconnects and have the ability to reconnect in the field if you do run into problems or don't like how it feels. I understand that does cost money though, but maybe less than some unforseen repairs.
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RE: sway bars - 5/21/2008 7:35:57 PM
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spaustin889
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not trying to spend money on this H3 seeing as the lease is up in less than 2 months
anyways, i got them off, took 2 people and we broke a pair of channel lock pliers (glad to have the lifetime warranty)
yeah, the problem is, the nut on the back of the ball joint isnt really a nut, its perfectly circular and therefore, you cant get a grip on it
***on the way home tonight i threw a code "stability system failure: service stability system" i was going straight and it was right when i got up around 50mph. i pulled over to the side, turned the car off/on and it went away, i drove over 50 on the way home and nothing happened? is this from taking the sway bar off today?
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RE: sway bars - 5/21/2008 11:46:28 PM
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Sewie
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anyways, i got them off, took 2 people and we broke a pair of channel lock pliers (glad to have the lifetime warranty)
Channel locks?  Try using the correct tools next time.
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yeah, the problem is, the nut on the back of the ball joint isnt really a nut, its perfectly circular and therefore, you cant get a grip on it
See my post above. Use the right tools and its not that difficult.
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***on the way home tonight i threw a code "stability system failure: service stability system" i was going straight and it was right when i got up around 50mph. i pulled over to the side, turned the car off/on and it went away, i drove over 50 on the way home and nothing happened? is this from taking the sway bar off today?
Doubt it. Unless you did something to the sensor wire when you were mucking around. It runs from the hub (just behind the rotor) up into the wheel well.
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RE: sway bars - 5/22/2008 6:21:49 AM
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RealJeep
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Geeze Sewie... I'm not trying to be critical but DANG! Removing parts from a lease vehicle? Driving on the highway without the swaybar connected? (which probably freaked out the Stab Sys) Thinking you'll get Jeep flex from an IFS front end? I'd say you wasted your breath on that kid.
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RE: sway bars - 5/22/2008 9:48:02 AM
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Sewie
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I'd say you wasted your breath on that kid.
Happens alot.  But maybe someone else will find the info useful.
BTW, I know several people that mod and wheel the piss out of their leased vehicles. And while disconnecting the front swaybar will make for an interesting drive, unless tires are losing traction, Stabilitrak shouldn't care. It monitors wheel speed, not body sway.
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RE: sway bars - 5/22/2008 10:02:35 AM
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Steve #1
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Driving on the highway without sway bars is stupid. Removing the front sway bar on an IFS vehicle isn't to bright, and the rear is pretty flexy to start with, and probably adequate for trails a dealership selects to run stock Hummers on.
Put the sway bars back on before you wreck your soon to be lease return.
Your StabiliTrak light was probably a result of the lack of sway bars.
Per some GM mumbo jumbo:
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StabiliTrak works by comparing the driver’s intentions (indicated by steering wheel position) with how the vehicle is responding. Three key sensors keep the ABS and traction control computer informed: one reads steering wheel angle, another reports the vehicle’s lateral acceleration and the third measures yaw rate (rotational velocity about a vertical axis through the car’s center of gravity). Information is also gathered from vehicle speed.
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RE: sway bars - 5/22/2008 10:48:27 AM
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spaustin889
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Geeze Sewie... I'm not trying to be critical but DANG! Removing parts from a lease vehicle? Driving on the highway without the swaybar connected? (which probably freaked out the Stab Sys) Thinking you'll get Jeep flex from an IFS front end? I'd say you wasted your breath on that kid.
never said i was driving on the highway (it was a back road by my house), never said i was trying to get jeep flex out of an ifs
i realized after looking at the front end, it was a waste of time to take the front sway bar off. and as far as the stab sys goes, it should have nothing to do with the sway bar. ive been driving it fine except for that one time the past 2 days.
i dont think i wasted my breath. doesnt seem like i did something that critical to the truck. i ran my bronco with 37'' tires, solid axles, and no sway bars on the highway all the time with no problems. this hummer is like a little toy car compared to that thing
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RE: sway bars - 5/23/2008 6:35:00 AM
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RealJeep
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BTW, I know several people that mod and wheel the piss out of their leased vehicles. And while disconnecting the front swaybar will make for an interesting drive, unless tires are losing traction, Stabilitrak shouldn't care. It monitors wheel speed, not body sway.
From Steve #1
"StabiliTrak works by comparing the driver’s intentions (indicated by steering wheel position) with how the vehicle is responding. Three key sensors keep the ABS and traction control computer informed: one reads steering wheel angle, another reports the vehicle’s lateral acceleration and the third measures yaw rate (rotational velocity about a vertical axis through the car’s center of gravity). Information is also gathered from vehicle speed."
Don't confuse Stabilitrak with Traction Control. You can't turn Traction Control off but you can turn off Stabilitrak next to the 4x4 buttons. Also, when in 4Lo stabilitrak is automatically turned off (StabSys Off) because of the Yaw feature. Disconnecting the sway bars affects the yaw thus confusing the Stabilitrak. If you don't mash and hold the stabilitrak button for 6 seconds and turn it off it won't know the sway bars are off will throw a DIC warning.
Geeze, vehicles today are too complicated!
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RE: sway bars - 5/23/2008 9:16:38 PM
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H3Dude812
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RealJeep, I think you have it backwards. The button on mine to turn off is TCS, traction control.
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RE: sway bars - 5/24/2008 6:44:15 AM
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spaustin889
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RealJeep, I think you have it backwards. The button on mine to turn off is TCS, traction control.
you can only turn traction control off when you are in 4-lo
other than that, the same button turns the stabilitrak off. you hold it down for about 6-8 second and wait for a notification on the dash. when you are in 4-lo you can hit the same button (just press) and it will turn your traction control off
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