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HummerGuy -> RE: Brand New to the Hummer Forum (4/18/2008 7:41:40 AM)

Well, according to rumor and dealer sources, the current model will end at 2010, and it is VERY possible will not exist after that. I've heard that from reliable sources, but everybody has their insiders and we all have different stories usually, but most of the time there are bits and pieces that are all on the same page.

They cancelled the newly redesigned H2 to extend the life of the current one. Who knows what's going to happen.



  
Peej Willys -> RE: Brand New to the Hummer Forum (4/18/2008 7:55:44 AM)

Mr. Doc Olds,

I'm from Colorado and never owned a Jeep. I do have much respect for them. Back in 1949, I think, they had out the first SUVs and have been building them ever since. In looking at the new Overland models, it seems to me that you get a lot for your money. BUT, Consumers Report rarely ever has anything good to say about their quality. That scares me a little. Plus my son told me that the Hummers hold their value much better than the Jeeps. What I found interesting about the Jeep Grand Cherokee was the electronic limited slip differentials. The front and rear axles can, out of necessity, become fully locked. You can lock the rear differential on the H2 but not the front. I don't know why the General went this route. Although, in my case, not emphasizing off-road, its not a deal breaker. I've read that the upcoming HT3 will have lockable front and rear axles. I think the H1 has lockable front and rear axles. Why not the poor H2. It's always the middle child that suffers. Since I'm on the topic of Jeeps, I think they use rack and pinion steering and coil springs on their front end. Why do you think the General used recirculating ball steering and torsion bars. This is old and outdated technology. Maybe they have a reason! I never owned a diesel nor have I ever done any research to determine the benefits. I'm more of a gas man (pass me the BEANO).


hrcentury21 -> RE: Brand New to the Hummer Forum (4/18/2008 9:06:54 AM)

I have owned now 2 hummers my first one over 2 years ago... it was a lease and decided to give it back to the dealer insted of just buying it!!!! well anyways on my truck i had 24" wheels with toyo off road tire... which like you said it just for the looks... an expensive look... took it offroading not a problem it couldn't handle (wasn't an expert course) regarding other vehicles i work were i pretty much see rangerovers all day... and one thing that i have noticed is taht they don't hold their resale value as much as an H2 does. THen again realtors might just want to get rid of the vehicle. after not having the H2 for over a year i decided to get another one for my own reasons which follow...
1. There are some people who hate the truck! I think its envy they can't afford the gas.
2. I had my old 24" wheels that cost me 9 grand, and they had lots of thread left (looks good)
3. H2 Is a wonderful truck to have, if the 4x4 system is the same as lets just say a GMC Denali , price wise there is not much of a difference, i would rather pay 5,000 more and have a hummer ( to me a  no brainer)
4. Defenitely a head turner!!!!
5. I have a son on the way, Belive me if i hit someone if someone hits me, i know for a fact that we might not have seviere damage... (Check my spelling) I hit a car on my old hummer and it looked like an accordian.
6. To me best SUV that i have ever owned that is why i purchased it again... no LEASES, no PAYMENTS!!!!

so Pjee, its really a matter of what you like the most... if they were to tell you that the 4x4 system is exactly the same as a TAHOE you have to decide... what is it that you want... i know that the 4x4 tahoe is in the low 40's... (I am not saying that it is the same system i have no idea!)

Greenblade -> RE: Brand New to the Hummer Forum (4/18/2008 9:37:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Peej Willys

Hi all,

Subject text says it all. In my 40 years of driving experience, I have never owned or driven a 4 wheel drive vehicle. Because I always traveled for a living, my choice of vehicles has been small Econoboxes like the Datsun F-10, Honda Civic, dodge Colt, etc. I'm pretty much retired now. Work only when I want to (accountant). I'd like to get a bad weather vehicle. Up to about a month ago, I was pretty sure about getting a Grand Cherokee. My son, however, works for a Chevy/Hummer dealership and told me to check out the Hummer H2. I did. I test drove the Ultra Marine H2 and fell in love with it. I don't drive enough whereby fuel costs would be a problem. The local dealer has an off-road course. My son drove it and loved it. Me, on the other hand, was too chicken. Let's just say that when I'm going uphill and can't see anything but sky or traveling on an aggressive side slope and wondering if the vehicle is gonna fall over, I get nervous. My son, who has an 6 inch lifted Avalanche just loves those off-road type courses. Anyway, I'm not wanting 4WD for off-road (although, maybe, I can get to like it). I want 4WD for bad weather.

Since I've been researching the H2, I have never realized what a hated vehicle it is. Certain groups out there hate it for it's size and weight. It does bother me, but I like it for it's size and weight. For years, John Q Public went through his fads or phases....large pickup trucks, mini vans and SUVs. Here I am, in my small econoboxes, having to deal with these larger vehicles. Couldn't complain, though, because family, friends, or neighbors would say 'TOUGH'. Well now that I'm in the market for an SUV, I'm thinking 'BIG'. And here I am looking at H2s. Maybe all you Hummer owners can answer some questions for me. 


nice screen name!  I think the Willys Jeeps are still some of the nicest looking things ever put on 4 wheels. 

A nice thing about an H2 is that at nearly 7 feet wide (to the outside of the tires) its very hard to tip it over.  And don't think I haven't tried.

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1. Models like the Ultra Marine come equipped with 20 inch wheels. Is this a plus? Do these 20 inch wheels provide additional ground clearance? How much additional clearance?


good for looks, bad for offroad

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2. Is the 4WD system better than what you find on the General's other SUVs and trucks. Or are the drive systems the same.


Not the same.  More suspension travel (not the same suspension) - i think the rear of the H2 has the highest travel of any SUV including the Wrangler (the independent front is a bit lacking, though).  Different t-case, differential gearing, a locking rear diff, a traction control system made for offroad use, bigger tires, etc.  Also better clearance, underbody protection, approach&departure angles.


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3. The H2 looks like it's built like a brick outhouse. Compared to the General's other SUVs and trucks is the build quality really that much better. I'm trying to decide if the upscale price
is worth it. H2 opponents like to say it's a modified Tahoe. I'd like to think there's more to an H2 than that.

I have additional questions but will wait for some other time . Thanks to all .

John


Make no mistake, the H2 will generate alot of reaction.  Some good, some bad.  Reactions to mine have ranged from people chasing it for several blocks screaming out their windows, or running out of bars with two thumbs pointed down yelling something to myriad middle fingers or cat-calls of "love your mileage" and stuff like that to a convertible full of girls flashing their boobs, kids running tot he side of the street to stare, and once a girl said she'd give me a hummer if she could do it in the hummer whilst I was imbibing at a local pub, lol.

Its all over the place.  Its like the vehicle that everybody has to have

Lampooner -> RE: Brand New to the Hummer Forum (4/18/2008 10:17:10 AM)

A good nickname for a H2 is "off-road Cadillac" based on comfort of it's ride.

alrock -> RE: Brand New to the Hummer Forum (4/18/2008 11:12:41 AM)

I would recommend avoiding the larger wheels unless you are doing it for show. Smaller wheels (17" on the H2, right) will likely yield better mpg (less mass, less rotational mass) better offroad (more cushioning, can air down better, less likely to damage a rim) and simply they are less expensive. Why spend the $ if you don't have a real benefit? (if you like the show/bling look then it is a benefit, of course).

The H2 is great. You are going to suck it up in mpg vs. some other vehicles with the big weight and the full time 4wd. But it is a big, safe vehicle too and very capable.

Like Greenblade said, you will get attention, both positive and negative. When I get the negative for my H3 I simply deflect it or ignore it. It's my choice, I got it for reasons that are important to me and I don't think there's any other vehicle out there that met those needs.

Peej Willys -> RE: Brand New to the Hummer Forum (4/18/2008 12:38:28 PM)

A Chevrolet salesman once told me that the Hummer has the best 4WD system under the General's umbrella. If you get a Tahoe (or something similar) without the Z71 package (AUTOTRAX), you have one drive wheel in the front (lets say left front) and one drive wheel in the back (lets say right rear). That's it, there ain't no more. Now lets say you opt for the Z71 package. In adition to the two drive wheels, you get the automatic locking rear differential that can power up your other remaining rear wheel. This is where it gets fuzzy to me. Is that auto locking rear differential really a limited slip (posi-traction for the older set) or can the rear differential actually be locked whereby each rear wheel turns at the same rate of speed. Regardless, even with the Z71 option, you still have 3WD. The Hummer, with it's brake traction control, can supply torque to any of it's 4 wheels. I do believe this Brake Traction Control is used on Jeeps (in addition to their Electronic Limited Slip Differentials), used on Range Rovers, Toyota Land Cruisers and Lexus 4WD vehicles. If what I just explained is true, then yes, the Hummer is the best the General has to offer.

AS far as being an off-road Cadillac, it certainly seems like it. The General uses Cadillac seats, dash materials, the same 6.2 liter motor and 6 speed transmission. When I test drove the new Hummer, the interior was great. Naturally, the Cadillac is tweaked for comfort and the Hummer for off-road capability, but nonetheless, their DNA is similar. Regarding the damaged half-shafts or tie rods. This does appear to be the weakest link in the HUMMER's suspension. It can be addressed readily, though, through aftermarket modifications. You know people out there are quick to point out each time they see a Hummer fail. I saw a blip on you tube where a Hummer was stopped dead in it's tracks on a Boston street. It appeared to be on ice. Maybe someone will explain to these Hummer bashers that any vehicle on ice is going to get stuck. Let's face it; with brake traction control you still need one wheel with traction to get you rolling. For what it's worth, I see a lot of Jeep bashing also by 4Runner and Pathfinder owners. They're good vehicles but I wouldn't say they have it all over the Jeeps and Hummers. I do hope these foreign companies are grateful to our citizens for supplying them with nice profit. I sometimes wonder if some of these auto companies would even survive if it wasn't for the American consumer. I read somewhere that in the early 90's when our economy was having problems, purchases of Porsche (spelling?) were hit hard. The company almost folded. But when our economy is doing good, we're right there helping the foreign corporations. Maybe that's not a bad thing. Even I, when traveling a lot in my younger days, owned some gas misers. I just don't think I'd do it now.


hrcentury21 -> RE: Brand New to the Hummer Forum (4/18/2008 1:51:45 PM)

so r u getting one? [;)]

Peej Willys -> RE: Brand New to the Hummer Forum (4/18/2008 2:15:13 PM)

Yep. Just waiting to see what incentives are coming down the pipeline.

IHNEVELS -> RE: Brand New to the Hummer Forum (4/18/2008 2:15:26 PM)

We have put up an "enter at your own risk sign for newbees".[:D]

IHNEVELS -> RE: Brand New to the Hummer Forum (4/18/2008 2:18:56 PM)

seriously tho, i have seen many 4x4s in a ditch in wet/bad weather because they could not hold the road as their back end seems to come around and pass up the front end. the full time 4x4 seems to not have that problem unless stupidity comes into play. go with the H2 or the H3 and you won't be disappointed.

rhill20 -> RE: Brand New to the Hummer Forum (4/18/2008 7:08:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Trey124
There is no such thing as a Ultra Marine Hummer Pkg. from Hummer, that's a dealer made up add-on to raise the sticker price.  The only pkgs. that Hummer offer are Adv. Pkg. or Lux. Pkg. everything else is to make you pay more.


There is a LMTD Edition H2 by Hummer. I saw it a couple of days ago while building an H2 (shh, don't tell the wifey[;)]). Look under H2 and LIMITED EDITION on www.hummer.com


Peej Willys -> RE: Brand New to the Hummer Forum (4/18/2008 9:29:02 PM)

I think around May, another limited edition will be coming out. The Silver Ice Edition. These limited editions are fully loaded which accounts for the higher price tags.

spaustin889 -> RE: Brand New to the Hummer Forum (4/18/2008 9:53:47 PM)

i own (actually my father) and H3 and a land rover (06 LR3 SE)

the land rover is alot nicer...air suspension, 3 sunroofs(only 1 opens), 300hp V8, 4 wheel ifs, and the ride tends to be a little smoother (what you should expect from 4wheel ifs and airbags)
the hummer...is so much more fun to drive, just feels alot better to me and is overall, imo, a better built car.

as far as the 4wd systems on them go, no comparison...hummer hands down


to prove my point, my dad gave me the choice of taking the land rover to college or maybe lease another hummer. i told him (and mean in wholeheartedly) that if he'd get another H3 adv. with the 4 add-ons i want (rockers, underbody, grille, markers) i would never touch the land rover again

rhill20 -> RE: Brand New to the Hummer Forum (4/18/2008 10:36:43 PM)

I love happy stories[:D]

  

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