RE: Leveling kit vs torsion bar crank
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RE: Leveling kit vs torsion bar crank - 3/16/2008 5:43:29 PM
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blackbear
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if you notice that you are near the bumpstops you can always buy ultra slim bump stops..they are a better material than stock anyway and will give you stock clearance.
So if you have the leveling kit and buy the ultra slim bump stops then you will have more travel then stock, right
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RE: Leveling kit vs torsion bar crank - 3/16/2008 5:57:54 PM
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blackbear
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You are defiantly right about the over hang weight of the winch!!! the first trail I did with the winch installed, man!!! I was knocking into every dam rock on the trail, I was so freaken pissed at the end of the day it wasn't funny, two turns on the TB and the problem was taken care of.
Isn't it dark out now good time to take pics, I'm not going away any time soon, so when ever your ready
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RE: Leveling kit vs torsion bar crank - 3/16/2008 6:27:15 PM
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josh1899
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I leveled mine using stock keys and replaced shocks with Cognito's. I had absolutely no side effects to this mod. Ride is exactly the same. Handles the same. One benefit I noticed when wheeling though is that I get far less head toss side to side when going over undulating bumps. I contribute this to the Bilsteins better valving over stock shocks. This question is like asking the meaning of life! no matter what you are going to get different opinions from different people!!!
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RE: Leveling kit vs torsion bar crank - 3/16/2008 6:55:04 PM
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Heysdad
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turning the t-bars DOES NOT stiffen the ride....it does the same thing a leveling key does except the key gives you added room for even more adjustment. The stiff ride as mentioned by Rhill is that you overextended your stock shocks thus creating a harsh ride...by getting longer shocks your ride will return to normal.
The public is misinformed when it comes to leveling keys so they think it is necassary to achieve lift without hurting ride.....this is completely false. Every H3 (and every other truck using t-bar suspension) comes with T-bar Keys stock...it's part of the system. THe leveling kit just swaps the stock keys with ones that re-index the starting location. SO if you turn your stock ones...say 4 inches (for sake of arguement) and you need to go up another inch to get level THEN you will need a different set of keys so that you can achieve the added amount of cranks needed. THis is not needed on 90% of the applications. There is an old trick with Chevy trucks that you swap the stock keys out in favor of a set of ford keys, which are indexed higher than GM keys, and this will also give you lift...again same concept as the leveling kit. I know those that bought leveling kits will argue this but this is not an opinion...this is factual information that most don't know unless you are experianced with IFS t-bar suspension trucks. I just hate seeing people waste money on leveling kits because they don't know the truth about the system....I'm not knocking anyone, not at all...I just wish more people knew the truth so they could spend that money on other mods to their trucks.
WOW...This is really a dead horse. But then again...I still don't get it. So...Let's press on with it.
If the above statement in red is true, then when we did the keys, and still have the stock shocks, why is the ride is not stiff then
I guess I just missed something here. I did the TB Twist and the bus bounced all over the place. I did keys and went the same 2" and the ride is smooth as stock, and still have the 2" and did not have to change the shocks.
If your going to spend your money on new shocks with a TB Twist, why not just do keys and keep the stock shocks
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RE: Leveling kit vs torsion bar crank - 3/16/2008 7:18:06 PM
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rhill20
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Shocks are cheaper than the kit, like I said though, I still have the stock shocks and no ride problems.
*I told you nobody would agree and you would get a bunch of different opinions*
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RE: Leveling kit vs torsion bar crank - 3/16/2008 7:38:10 PM
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RE: Leveling kit vs torsion bar crank - 3/16/2008 7:53:41 PM
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blackbear
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Shocks are cheaper than the kit, like I said though, I still have the stock shocks and no ride problems.
*I told you nobody would agree and you would get a bunch of different opinions*
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RE: Leveling kit vs torsion bar crank - 3/16/2008 9:22:27 PM
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alphadogg
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You are going to get all kinds of different opinions here in the next few hours watch.
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I did the torsion bar crank and ran it for 5 to 6 months, then decided to install the leveling kit and that's been over a year now, there is a noticeable difference in the ride, with the TB crank the ride was more stiff,
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ORIGINAL: importkiller
turning the t-bars DOES NOT stiffen the ride....it does the same thing a leveling key does except the key gives you added room for even more adjustment. The stiff ride as mentioned by Rhill is that you overextended your stock shocks thus creating a harsh ride...by getting longer shocks your ride will return to normal.
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ORIGINAL: josh1899
I leveled mine using stock keys and replaced shocks with Cognito's. I had absolutely no side effects to this mod. Ride is exactly the same. Handles the same. This question is like asking the meaning of life! no matter what you are going to get different opinions from different people!!!
I did the torsion bar adjustment with the Cognito Shocks and I think my ride is definitely stiffer. I think josh is correct. You could ask 100 people and get 100 different answers. rhill is right also, it's just a matter of opinion.
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RE: Leveling kit vs torsion bar crank - 3/16/2008 9:31:47 PM
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blackbear
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ORIGINAL: rhill20
You are going to get all kinds of different opinions here in the next few hours watch.
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ORIGINAL: blackbear
I did the torsion bar crank and ran it for 5 to 6 months, then decided to install the leveling kit and that's been over a year now, there is a noticeable difference in the ride, with the TB crank the ride was more stiff,
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ORIGINAL: importkiller
turning the t-bars DOES NOT stiffen the ride....it does the same thing a leveling key does except the key gives you added room for even more adjustment. The stiff ride as mentioned by Rhill is that you overextended your stock shocks thus creating a harsh ride...by getting longer shocks your ride will return to normal.
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ORIGINAL: josh1899
I leveled mine using stock keys and replaced shocks with Cognito's. I had absolutely no side effects to this mod. Ride is exactly the same. Handles the same. This question is like asking the meaning of life! no matter what you are going to get different opinions from different people!!!
I did the torsion bar adjustment with the Cognito Shocks and I think my ride is definitely stiffer. I think josh is correct. You could ask 100 people and get 100 different answers. rhill is right also, it's just a matter of opinion.
Dam-it!!! I right........just kidding there will always be different opinions on this subject
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RE: Leveling kit vs torsion bar crank - 3/16/2008 9:33:22 PM
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blackbear
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ORIGINAL: rhill20
You are going to get all kinds of different opinions here in the next few hours watch.
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ORIGINAL: blackbear
I did the torsion bar crank and ran it for 5 to 6 months, then decided to install the leveling kit and that's been over a year now, there is a noticeable difference in the ride, with the TB crank the ride was more stiff,
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ORIGINAL: importkiller
turning the t-bars DOES NOT stiffen the ride....it does the same thing a leveling key does except the key gives you added room for even more adjustment. The stiff ride as mentioned by Rhill is that you overextended your stock shocks thus creating a harsh ride...by getting longer shocks your ride will return to normal.
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ORIGINAL: josh1899
I leveled mine using stock keys and replaced shocks with Cognito's. I had absolutely no side effects to this mod. Ride is exactly the same. Handles the same. This question is like asking the meaning of life! no matter what you are going to get different opinions from different people!!!
I did the torsion bar adjustment with the Cognito Shocks and I think my ride is definitely stiffer. I think josh is correct. You could ask 100 people and get 100 different answers. rhill is right also, it's just a matter of opinion.
Dam-it!!! I right........just kidding there will always be different opinions on this subject
Oh and I'm trying to make this the longest quote in the history of this forum!!!!
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