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RE: H1 Restoration - 3/7/2008 8:41:16 AM
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TKF430
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ORIGINAL: Injunfarian
btw Welcome to the Forum.
Also If you want a cheaper method but just as good there is a guy in Toronto, Ontario. CANADA.
He does GREAT WORK! I goto him all the time and never have been upset. He will be able to totally restore your H1's as well, he works on basically all the H1's in Southern Ontario. And I might even be able to take some pictures for you during the process if I happen to stop in during their stay. If your interested in him pm me and I will get you his contact information.
Thank you very much for the suggestion. In my above post I have stated a lot of the work which needs to be done on the H1s. Will the guy in Toronto manage all the requirements? You mentioned that he could be a cheaper solution.......any idea what it would approximately cost me to perform all the work needed.
Thank you and best regards,
Tarek
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RE: H1 Restoration - 3/7/2008 9:21:01 AM
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TKF,
I spoke with Rob at Tustin Hummer. They can do all of the mechanical and interior work. They send the trucks out for apint and boby work. I have had them do some paint work for me and was very satisfied. Call Rob/Mike at Tustin Hummer and go through in detail what you need done. Mike Sabrese is one of the best, if not the best H1 mechanic in the country. If you checked with AM General they would tell you the same thing.
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RE: H1 Restoration - 3/7/2008 11:08:52 AM
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TKF430
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TKF,
I spoke with Rob at Tustin Hummer. They can do all of the mechanical and interior work. They send the trucks out for apint and boby work. I have had them do some paint work for me and was very satisfied. Call Rob/Mike at Tustin Hummer and go through in detail what you need done. Mike Sabrese is one of the best, if not the best H1 mechanic in the country. If you checked with AM General they would tell you the same thing.
Many thanks........I will give Rob and Mike a call. I will let you know what they suggested.
Kind regards,
Tarek
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RE: H1 Restoration - 3/7/2008 1:21:25 PM
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Ok. keep us posted on what you decide to do and how it goes.
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RE: H1 Restoration - 3/7/2008 2:17:33 PM
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TKF430
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Ok. keep us posted on what you decide to do and how it goes.
Thank you very much David.......I just hung up with Mike. Very friendly man and knows his business. He also knows you quite well. I told him that you recommended him to me. He is happy to do all the work needed on both H1s. He also suggested keeping the 6.5l NA engines and not replacing them with turbo charged engines as the NA engines were far more reliable and would handle any abuse. He can increase the engine HP a bit by using a different fuel pump. He also suggested upgrading the automatic transmission to a sort of clutchless manual system......the same system they use on their own racing H1. The stock automatic transmission apparently suffers from many electronic problems.
I'll send him an email with some interior and exterior pictures and he'll send me an estimate for all the work needed.
Are there any engine upgrades I can do to the stock 6.5l engine to increase HP apart from a different fuel pump?
I will keep you all posted of the progress.
Thanks again to all of you. Kind regards,
Tarek
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RE: H1 Restoration - 3/7/2008 2:41:46 PM
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Tarek we are glad to kelp. I don't have the NA engines but I will see what I can come up with on upgrades. Obviously you want to do upgrades that will not have a negative impact on the performance or longevity of the motor. There are things like PCM upgrades that you might want to look into. Talk to Mike about that. I was looking into a PCM upgrade for my H1 Alpha and after hearing what it did to the shift pattern and the extra heat generated by the performance enhancement of the upgrade I decided against it. Some are better than others.
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RE: H1 Restoration - 3/7/2008 3:07:29 PM
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Thanks David. I would appreciate it if you or anyone can assist me in knowing the maximum output I can get from the 6.5l NA diesel engine and how to obtain it without reducing and compromising engine reliability.
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RE: H1 Restoration - 3/7/2008 7:58:00 PM
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here's a link to the hummer race truck Mike built/races so you know he's serious (he talks it down and is very modest):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebrWiO33gJE
sounds like a serious amount of work that needs to be done. I was going to suggest keeping the 6.5 without the turbo as well but Mike beat me to it -- Mike has said in the past that almost all the hummers that are towed into him have computer-related issues. If I was ever in the market again I'd definately buy an older truck with no computer (as close to the humvee's simplicity as possible...maybe a nice 93/94/95 na diesel). I'd miss the good a/c though.
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RE: H1 Restoration - 3/7/2008 8:13:54 PM
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For only a few thousand bucks you could upgrade the AC. I think I am with you on the older H1s Ron. Simpler=cheaper. besides we really don't need great AC hear in Socal anyway ( unless you want to go to the desert, high desert, mountains, etc in the summer )
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RE: H1 Restoration - 3/8/2008 4:34:42 AM
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ORIGINAL: ronb
here's a link to the hummer race truck Mike built/races so you know he's serious (he talks it down and is very modest):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebrWiO33gJE
sounds like a serious amount of work that needs to be done. I was going to suggest keeping the 6.5 without the turbo as well but Mike beat me to it -- Mike has said in the past that almost all the hummers that are towed into him have computer-related issues. If I was ever in the market again I'd definately buy an older truck with no computer (as close to the humvee's simplicity as possible...maybe a nice 93/94/95 na diesel). I'd miss the good a/c though.
rb
Thanks for the link Ron......serious truck. So you all recommend keeping the 6.5 Liter NA engine and not going for any turbo upgrades or Duramax conversions. According to Mike Sabbarese the the 6.5 L-NA motor could deliver 250-270 horse power after minor rebuild of the engine and injection pump. Is that a better option than going with a 360 HP standard Duramax LBZ engine conversion?
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RE: H1 Restoration - 3/8/2008 6:17:12 AM
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Not sure if it is better but it is a whole lot cheaper. The NA 6.5 is a simple, solid workhorse of an engine. If you rebuild it the drive train in the truck can stay the same. If you convert to the Duramax you have to lift the truck 2", change the transmission, half shafts,etc. My .02 would be to rebuild the 6.5 NA motors with the mods Mike is talking about.
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RE: H1 Restoration - 3/8/2008 6:28:05 AM
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TKF430
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Not sure if it is better but it is a whole lot cheaper. The NA 6.5 is a simple, solid workhorse of an engine. If you rebuild it the drive train in the truck can stay the same. If you convert to the Duramax you have to lift the truck 2", change the transmission, half shafts,etc. My .02 would be to rebuild the 6.5 NA motors with the mods Mike is talking about.
Thanks for the advise David. Are the Duramax LBZ engines and Allison transmissions very reliable or do they suffer frequently from electronic problems?
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RE: H1 Restoration - 3/8/2008 7:37:06 AM
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The Duramax and Allison combination is fantastic. I have about 20,000 miles on my Alpha and no issues. The power and torque are great. If Mike can get you 270 HP out of the NA 6.5 that will be a fun ride also. Did he say how much torque that motor will put out? Coverting to the Duramax would require lifting the truck a couple of inches, an all new drivetrain ( drive shafts, half shafts, torque converter...... ) It gets pretty expensive and depending on what you get out of the NA motor may not be worth it. Personal call on your part. I have the Allison/Duramax combo in the Alpha and the 6.5 TD in the 97. Big difference between the two accelerating and on the highway but not so much at other times.
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