RE: Politics and HUMMERs, which are you?
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Politics and HUMMERs, which are you?
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| I'm politically Conservative, Sean Hannity is right! |
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| I'm a Moderate leaning Conservative |
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| I'm a Moderate, No Political Affiliation |
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| I'm a Moderate leaning Liberal |
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RE: Politics and HUMMERs, which are you? - 12/3/2007 4:49:07 AM
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duckstu
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I'm conservative,... which should NOT be confused with republican. I'd have to say of the last 2-3 presidents,..Clinton has been the most conservative. He didn't start any useless wars,..ballanced the budget, and stopped inflation. THOSE are conservative values.
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RE: Politics and HUMMERs, which are you? - 12/3/2007 5:01:27 AM
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duckstu
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ORIGINAL: sarge_taz_rock
I'm in Iraq right now and I have a first hand view. Sure we do our job while we are here, that's what we get paid for and that was my career choice.
However, The majority consensus by all here is...what the hell are we really here for???? I can tell you that if you took the mic and cameras from in front of a soldier, sailor, airman or marine they would all say (at least 99%) that they are tired of back to back deployments, tired of this (for lack of a better word WAR), and for soldiers back to back 15 month tours.
Bush has a personal agenda here and we all know that (what it is who the hell knows). We hired Bush and he has done a crappy job from day one; if you or I had a job and did not listen to our boss (for Bush the people), and did crappy work, then we would be fired with out hesitation. Why haven't we fired Bush yet?
Bottom line: any politician that supports Bush or the Iraqi war will NOT get my vote.
People need to stop voting for a particular party and vote for the person that will do the best job.
I feel for you.
I keep hearing reporters ask politicians what their chances of winning the war are,...or "are we winning" etc. How can they be expected to answer that? In order to know if your winning don't you first to know what the goal is? I mean how do you know if you're achieving your goal if you don't have one?
I also hear BS like "turning over control to the Iraqi police". Uhhhhhhhhh, WHICH Iraqi police or what Iraqi government? From which party? One minute you'll hear some habitual liar on TV talking about the different factions in Iraq (and they're aren't 3 by the way,..there's more like 9) and in the next sentence you'll hear the same habitual liar say they're expecting to turn over control soon to THE Iraq government soon. UUUUHHHH again,...which one?
They're not all going to get along and have a group hug. The only 2 solutions are to either kill them all, or to make one party strong enough so that it can dominate the others. (And being that the Iraqi's have never done anything to us,..I vote for the latter). Sure all but one of the paryts will be unhappy,..but at least you'll have peace. Of course that's what we had there with Sadam.
End of rant. Hope I didn't offend anyone, it's just that having my tax dollars and our military used to commit attrocities all over the world really burns me.
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RE: Politics and HUMMERs, which are you? - 12/3/2007 5:53:31 AM
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Black_Impala
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I would first like to thank rhill20 and sarge for their efforts. Second, I don't have a problem with Bush. He has made some unpopular desicions. I do think we are there for oil. I don't have a problem with that, and nobody else should either. Securing that oil is benificiary not only to the United States people and their way of life, but to the Iraqi people and their way of life and for that matter the rest of the world. Never before in recorded history has a nation as powerful as the U.S. been in power without absolutly crushing any and all oposition to it. People may think that about us, but if it where true then we would have nuked Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Venezuala and France a long time ago with out endangering too many servicemen. We actually try to help other nations. When something bad happens here ther is very little support. Usually only Great Britain and Isreal.
Now that I am off my high horse, I would like to nominate R. Lee Ermey for president. I'd like to see those panty waist in congress tell him no when he asks for something!
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RE: Politics and HUMMERs, which are you? - 12/3/2007 6:25:37 AM
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rhill20
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Don't get me wrong Sarge, I do think that it is time to get out of there. But, we as you know have to be careful as to how we do that. We can't just pack up and leave like everybody thinks. It's going to take awhile to get everybody home. I have gotten on the plane everytime that I've been told to, agree or disagree. I had grave issues with Somalia but I went, twice. This is not intended as an "I love me" speech. Just talking. I have to say that I don't really consider myself a republican (solely), I do tend to agree with them more than anyone else normally. I'm not going to start on the Bush thing, I think that he started out in a rough spot (9-11), and followed some bad advise (intel) from people working for him. Other than that, I don't know, it's easy to sit a slam someone when you aren't the one in the hot seat (armchair quaterback). I feel for you Sarge, I've been there and have a pretty good idea what life is like for you right now. I'm sorry for that, but I'm proud of you and all that I have served with doing the same. Just keep your head, don't try to be a damned hero and get your ass home so that you can enjoy your H3!
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RE: Politics and HUMMERs, which are you? - 12/3/2007 6:27:57 AM
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Black_Impala
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Clinton ballanced the budget by sacraficing our safety. After Somalia and the "blackhawk down" incident, he pretty much showed the terrorist that if you give us a bloody nose we'll run away and hide. In case anyone has forgotten, we were in Somalia to help against attrocities happening to the Somalian people. I bet those Somalian's wern't happy to see us go, but I guess that didn't matter.
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RE: Politics and HUMMERs, which are you? - 12/3/2007 6:40:34 AM
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sarge_taz_rock
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Well guys this has turned into a pretty heated yet very logical, and mature disscusion (to some extent). I agree with most of you. Those that I don't agree with, let's just agree to disagree. I will look into alternate candidates when it comes time to vote; but the bottom line is that ALL POLITICIANS LIE. They are all in one way or another going to piss on you and tell you it's raining, the checks in the mail, and the one probably all of us guys have used, "I won't C_ _ in your mouth...point (all lies).
All I'm saying is look at the total package when it comes time to vote. Don't vote for someone because they are republican, or democrat, don't vote for someone because they are black or white, don't vote for someone because he is from the North, South, East , or West. Vote for the person that you HONESTLY think will do the best job for this country and it's people.
We are all in the U.S of A together. Let's not continue to be the laughing stock of the world. We must unite and fix us before trying to fix others.
All in favor say AYE
Thank you all and GOD bless America!!!!
 
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RE: Politics and HUMMERs, which are you? - 12/3/2007 6:53:40 AM
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sarge_taz_rock
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HILL, and everyone that has served in the military on this site. We are and always will be brothers and sisters first and foremost. We have/had a job to do and we do our best every single time.
Reporters, the media and the neighbors can have their opinions all day long, but until you have lived it you don't know chit.
I have been in 21 years and I was shooting for 28, after Iraq I'm done.
War is nasty; as a civilian you will NEVER get the real picture. It's all propaganda,and lies. Politicians have the uncanny ability to turn any situation around to suit their own particular needs.
I'm done with this thread and will not be adding anymore...I will get home to my family and my H3X...in one piece.
Brother Hill...thanks man
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RE: Politics and HUMMERs, which are you? - 12/3/2007 12:00:30 PM
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rhill20
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On that note. Thank YOU Sarge! Stay safe and I'll see you on the hill!
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RE: Politics and HUMMERs, which are you? - 12/3/2007 12:42:39 PM
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Doc Olds
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All I shall say is Clinton's first name should be Richard, because he is a Dikk, and so is his wife.
I especially like my affordable health insurance premiums because of the health insurance and medical care reform Hillary pushed through....... .............NOT!!!
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RE: Politics and HUMMERs, which are you? - 12/3/2007 10:11:11 PM
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sarge_taz_rock
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Very mature Doc.......NOT!!!
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RE: Politics and HUMMERs, which are you? - 12/4/2007 1:07:37 PM
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RealJeep
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Just so as to not be left out in the veteran roll:
Battery C, 3rd BN /116th Field Artillery reformed into the 652 MP Company, Iraq.
USS Yosemite AD-19 and USS Salinan ATF-161
Yeah, I served in the Army and the Navy, so what?
 
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RE: Politics and HUMMERs, which are you? - 1/4/2008 12:18:17 AM
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TheGunnyRet
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There are many misconceptsions, erroneous accusation's, misinformation about what all that goes on in Iraq and Afganistan. Unless you have been here and still here, you don't know how it is and how these people really are. The media only wants to tell you what "they" want too. Not what really happens and the results. I give credit to Bush for staying the course. It takes guts to do that and he is pounded with criticism on a daily basis. Yeah, Clinton balanced a budget, but he raised taxes across the board to do it, allowed China to export all of there crap with no consequences, screwed up with Somolia, started NAFTA (resulting in severe unemployment). If we give up, we as a country will lose all respect to the world. We are a throw away society and instangratification orientated. This is our downfall. We listen to "Movie Stars" (who are hypocrites/actor-look up the definition), praise humiliation, have an attenion span of a micro second, expect things instead of EARNING THEM, created and injected so much bureaucracy and political correctness into our thoughts and society it's mind boggling. Politicians lie to our faces and can't keep there promises or intentions. Everything is based on money, instead of ethics and rights and freedom.
People don't like us because of our learned arrogance (this is also reflected in all aspects of our lives i.e. these Hummer Haters). We had earned it (respect) in the 40's and 50's but lost it in the 60's and 70's got some of it back in the 80's and lost it in the 90's. Now we are here and being considered the most powerful country in the world, we might want to prove before we speak it.
I have done my time and I am still supporting our Service members. We are the Best of the Best and do what we do willingly. I try to take an open minded outlook on many things. But we have been endowed with specific laws and rights to control our aggression and chaos. But we need to interpret those privaleges sensibly and apply those accordingly not relatively.
I know there are those of us who are more than those who we observe as "Idiots" but we are a dying breed. I hope I did not offend anyone with my blah, blah, blah. this is JMObservation.
P.S. I know not all of my observations completely coincide with history, but I based my opinion on the majority and not the minority. The one phrase that sums it up to me anyway is " It's all about me" and this IMO will be the down fall of what this country originally stood for and hopefully we can break away from it in the future.
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RE: Politics and HUMMERs, which are you? - 1/4/2008 9:12:00 AM
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Bush has certainly made his share of mistakes but the one thing I like about him is he doesn't bend to the ill wind of every poll that comes out. He picked the hard road against terrorism and is staying the course against incredible criticism. I don't think we will know whether we or should I say WE were successful in this for many years, if ever. We may never know what didn't happen because of what our military has done for the last few years. I know there are many opinions on Iraq and mine is just one more that no one wants to hear.
My father is one of the smartest men I have ever known and that is not because he is my father. He started in the Army as a private and retired from the Army ( actually retired in the reserves ) as a Colonel. He served in Korea and Vietnam, started and sold 3 successful businesses and I know he has spent a lifetime making the right but hard choices. He hates war, every war, but says some have to be fought. He thinks this one has to be fought. I won't bore you all with our hours of discussion on the topic but as much as I hate the enormous resources we are pouring into the war, the disruption of life and casualties our military is experiencing and the devision in this country that war always seems to cause I believe that we are doing the right thing. My nephew is a Captain in the Army about to redeploy to Iraq again. He has been there ( two purple hearts and a bronze star ). He doesn't want to go back, doesn't want to leave his wife and young daughter, but he says he knows in his heart it is the right thing to do not only for the Iraqis but for this country.
A few weeks before Christmas I was delivering toys to Camp Pendleton with a large group of Hummer owners. The Marines of the 1st Division were deploying for the 7th time to Iraq. To a man they said they did not want to go, miss the holidays, their families etc. but they all knew it needed to be done, that they knew they were making a huge difference and were ready to get it done.
I have not been to Iraq so I can't compare the basis for my feelings to the real life experiences of Sarge or rhill but people I know and have all the respect in the world for have convinced me it is the hard but right thing to do.
Sarge, rhill, and every other member of the armed forces have my unmitigated respect, admiration and gratitude. Thank you.
One of the posts above ask why we hadn't fired Bush yet. I would ask why we haven't fired Congress yet. Congress has a far lower approval rating than Bush, is trusted less than Bush and has accomplished less than Bush. Democrats and Republicans have let us down and the real way to change it is to vote our local representatives out of office and put in people that will listen to us. Until Congress decides to control spending we will never have a balanced budget.
As to the real purpose of this thread I am a conservative leaning toward being a moderate. Strong defense, balanced budget, smallest possible government, zero political correctness and personal responsibility and accountability are my hot buttons.
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RE: Politics and HUMMERs, which are you? - 1/4/2008 12:31:16 PM
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cricket
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I am on a couple of other boards, and these discussions can get out of hand very quickly. It's good to see that so far it has stayed pretty decent.
I would first like to reiterate that we owe a debt of gratitude to those who are serving our country in the armed forces, regardless of political leanings. Thanks guys, we can't even begin to understand all that you sacrifice.
I tend to be pretty moderate, with liberal leanings. I take issues on an individual basis and make up my mind as to what I think; the two party system seems to divide people philisophically more than is necessary. (I realize there are other parties, but lets be honest, none of them are coming close to taking the lead of an election currently.)
I am completely over the entire election, most of the candidates either don't represent my views or they seem completely disingenuous. That is just my opinion, and I really don't know any of the candidates personally.
On another note, I am on day 5 of owning my H3 and I love it! 
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RE: Politics and HUMMERs, which are you? - 1/4/2008 1:16:39 PM
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Pretty good group here and I think everyone realized that politics and Hummers aren't related. We all love the Hummer and aren't particularly fond of any politicians so I don't envision any issues here. I understand your comment and actually even debated whether to post awhile before I posted.
Welcome to the forum and enjoy the Hummer.
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