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gas gauge - 11/12/2007 9:58:43 AM   
tmoody


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Ahhh, after several long years playing the ol' "gas gauge roulette" (see how far you can continue driving with the low fuel light on), it finally happened, i ran out of gas.

FYI, for those that unconsciously, or consciously, "play the game" from time to time, the H3 gauge needle doesn't go further "past the red" in low fuel zone more towards "E". 

I was running around with a friend when the low fuel light came on and was keeping an eye on the gauge.  Thought I could keep pushing it a little longer as the needle appeared to be in the "mid-red region" so i thought i could make it a few more miles or so til the next station. The H3 called my bluff and clunk, clunk........nada.  Good thing i was only about 50 yards to a station. 

Oh well, silly to "play" at my age, but just couldn't resist.
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RE: gas gauge - 11/12/2007 10:09:11 AM   
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that gauge will fool ya. but it is not good to run your gas that low as you pick up trash from the bottom of the tank and you fuel pump if internal will notlast as it will run dry and hot. i learned that lesson a long time ago. and it cost me big $$$$$

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RE: gas gauge - 11/12/2007 10:21:16 AM   
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They don't make a fuel pump like they used to, that's for sure.   Used to be a cheap and easy fix, not anymore.

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RE: gas gauge - 11/12/2007 11:03:24 AM   
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I never have that problem.... since I drive a 2 anytime I dip below half a tank I start looking for a station....  and the distance to empty is accurate...  that low fuel light comes on around 3 gallons left and the DTE says 35-40 miles... about 28 miles it says LOW....

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RE: gas gauge - 11/12/2007 11:29:12 AM   
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quote:

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I never have that problem.... since I drive a 2 anytime I dip below half a tank I start looking for a station....  and the distance to empty is accurate...  that low fuel light comes on around 3 gallons left and the DTE says 35-40 miles... about 28 miles it says LOW....


H3's dont have a DTE but the low fuel light does come on with about 3 gallons left..I have pushed my luck before but so far my luck has not run out

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RE: gas gauge - 11/12/2007 1:09:15 PM   
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you're due.....  especially with winter here.....

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RE: gas gauge - 11/12/2007 1:17:51 PM   
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you're due.....  especially with winter here.....


yep..I probably just jinxed myself



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RE: gas gauge - 11/13/2007 5:17:15 PM   
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Newbie here,...first post.

I just completed a test on the gas guage,...for mileage.

Had the 2006 H3 serviced,..dealer replaced an exhaust cam position sensor,..changed the oil.  15,000 miles on the odo.

I had the alignment checked and carefully set at zero toe.

Topped off the gas with midgrade BP/Ammoco and started normal driving.  I'd say 70% city, 30 highway.  But 1/2 of the city driving was cruizing on 50 mph main roads with well timed lights at fairly steady speeds.

So going from;
full to 3/4 tank took 90 miles
from 3/4 to 1/2 took 90 miles
1/2 to 1/4 took 60
1/4 to "low fuel" indicator took 71
from there to needle fully in the red another 9
ran out of gas at 360.5 miles and coasted another .2 miles (had 3 gallons in the car with me). 
(note,...1/4 tank to empty was 120.5 miles)

MPG average was 15.84 when I filled up.

From completely topped off, it went to
3/4 tank at 90 miles
1/2 tank at 180
1/4 tank at 240
"low fuel" at 311
needle fully in the red at 320
came to a stop at 360

So basically the guage is off a chunk at 1/4 tank.  Each 1/4 tank should be 90 miles,..and it IS, except for at 1/4 where it reads 240 instead of 270.  If I were to draw a new 1/4 full marker on the gauge, about 3/16 farther down from where it is now,....the gauge would read correctly.

I added what it took to fill up the car to the 3 gallons I put in it when I ran out to find both the fuel mileage,..and the tank capacity. (included mileage to the station in MPG calc).

With the car parked leaning slightly to the right,..I was able to get 19.82 gallons in it,..that with the 3 gives me a capacity of 22.8 gallons to gas-cap full.(all the way up the gas filler neck).  So if it really does get 20 mpg on the highway,...I should be able to get 456 miles out of a tank before it stops.

I'm going on a road trip next week with it,...so I'll let you know.  75 mph for 1,400 miles should get a good solid idea of what it does.

Interestingly,..the speedometer is right.  In most cars it is optimistic,.. I checked it with a hand-held GPS.  With the speedo at an indicated 80,...the GPS read 79.5.

Also,..I had a slight tinkle sound from the engine when new (detonation).  The dealer said GM was aware of the problem but didn't have a fix.  (They said they thought it might be a problem with the counter-ballance shafts)  They noted it in my records. (whoopie)

I started using mid-grade and it went away (guess it wasn't the counter-ballance shafts huh?).  A friend borowed the car for a few weeks recently.  (He's an engineer with a GM supplier and has a laptop with ecu software etc).  He said it was pulling timing with regular grade,..and not with midgrade.  No difference going from mid-grade to 93 octane.  (Gets better mileage with mid-grade).  He also found .3 grams more on the mass-flow sensor with the airbox lid off.  (I found no gain from that HP wise on the ole butt-dyno,..and the honking made my head hurt,..so lid stays on).

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RE: gas gauge - 11/13/2007 7:50:55 PM   
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i've gotten 360 a few times without running out, my "calculator" comes out to 17~18 mpg every tank full

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RE: gas gauge - 11/13/2007 7:52:30 PM   
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course we don't drive 80 miles an hour like most of ya on the mainland   (might miss a peek at the hula girls walkin by)

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RE: gas gauge - 11/13/2007 10:22:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: duckstu

Newbie here,...first post.

I just completed a test on the gas guage,...for mileage.

Had the 2006 H3 serviced,..dealer replaced an exhaust cam position sensor,..changed the oil.  15,000 miles on the odo.

I had the alignment checked and carefully set at zero toe.

Topped off the gas with midgrade BP/Ammoco and started normal driving.  I'd say 70% city, 30 highway.  But 1/2 of the city driving was cruizing on 50 mph main roads with well timed lights at fairly steady speeds.

So going from;
full to 3/4 tank took 90 miles
from 3/4 to 1/2 took 90 miles
1/2 to 1/4 took 60
1/4 to "low fuel" indicator took 71
from there to needle fully in the red another 9
ran out of gas at 360.5 miles and coasted another .2 miles (had 3 gallons in the car with me). 
(note,...1/4 tank to empty was 120.5 miles)

MPG average was 15.84 when I filled up.

From completely topped off, it went to
3/4 tank at 90 miles
1/2 tank at 180
1/4 tank at 240
"low fuel" at 311
needle fully in the red at 320
came to a stop at 360

So basically the guage is off a chunk at 1/4 tank.  Each 1/4 tank should be 90 miles,..and it IS, except for at 1/4 where it reads 240 instead of 270.  If I were to draw a new 1/4 full marker on the gauge, about 3/16 farther down from where it is now,....the gauge would read correctly.

I added what it took to fill up the car to the 3 gallons I put in it when I ran out to find both the fuel mileage,..and the tank capacity. (included mileage to the station in MPG calc).

With the car parked leaning slightly to the right,..I was able to get 19.82 gallons in it,..that with the 3 gives me a capacity of 22.8 gallons to gas-cap full.(all the way up the gas filler neck).  So if it really does get 20 mpg on the highway,...I should be able to get 456 miles out of a tank before it stops.

I'm going on a road trip next week with it,...so I'll let you know.  75 mph for 1,400 miles should get a good solid idea of what it does.

Interestingly,..the speedometer is right.  In most cars it is optimistic,.. I checked it with a hand-held GPS.  With the speedo at an indicated 80,...the GPS read 79.5.

Also,..I had a slight tinkle sound from the engine when new (detonation).  The dealer said GM was aware of the problem but didn't have a fix.  (They said they thought it might be a problem with the counter-ballance shafts)  They noted it in my records. (whoopie)

I started using mid-grade and it went away (guess it wasn't the counter-ballance shafts huh?).  A friend borowed the car for a few weeks recently.  (He's an engineer with a GM supplier and has a laptop with ecu software etc).  He said it was pulling timing with regular grade,..and not with midgrade.  No difference going from mid-grade to 93 octane.  (Gets better mileage with mid-grade).  He also found .3 grams more on the mass-flow sensor with the airbox lid off.  (I found no gain from that HP wise on the ole butt-dyno,..and the honking made my head hurt,..so lid stays on).


Dude!  You tottally forgot to take into account the temperature and humidity affect on the thermal expansivity of liquid petroluem and also the affect of vapor pressure as related to tank size.  Not to mention the position of the moon and which direction the horned owl flys at night...those numbers are all wrong!!

Just kidding, thats good to know.  I have always noticed on most of my cars that the gas gauge needle goes down slow at first, and then goes down faster towards the end of the tank...guess you just proved that one.

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RE: gas gauge - 11/14/2007 5:11:05 AM   
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Duckstu, thanks for the detailed testing report and welcome to the Forum!  That is cool information.  Similarly, I generally get 180-190 miles from full to half mark, then only another 120 or 130 until the low fuel light comes on.

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RE: gas gauge - 11/14/2007 6:41:30 AM   
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Good info, thanks for the detective work! 

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RE: gas gauge - 11/14/2007 11:35:07 AM   
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Thanks guys (and gals?). :)

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RE: gas gauge - 11/14/2007 2:23:05 PM   
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Nice....  welcome duckstu....

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