Politics and HUMMERs, which are you?

HUMMER owners are not exactly your Prius driving Eco-Nazis which would lead me to believe we're all fairly politically aligned.  Now's the chance to see if we're more alike than we'd care to admit.

I would say I'm a moderate, with libertarian leanings.  The only person who I would love to see in the White House is Ron Paul.  Sure, it may be a long shot, but I don't think we need another Bush (Giuliani) nor do I think that the country is ready for the type of Socialism that Clinton seeks.

I think Fred Thompson is right, but that may be a long shot also.

I agree with some of Thompson's positions.  I do not like his position on the Iraq War though!

If you wrapped up all the characters that Thompson played in one guy, I'd vote for him!!

If not Thompson, who else??  After all.... We need to let a different family lead the country for a while before we all vote for Jeb Bush!

dont' hate  but I am from ny  and Guliani  would be my choice..
 

I just can not bring myself to vote for anyone who wishes to continue the Iraq War.

Unfortunatly, we are in a position to where we don't have a choice but continue and finish what we started. I am currently in the US Army and am an 18 yr vet with 5 tours beginning with Desert Storm, Somalia x2 and my last 2 in Iraq. I don't really like going over there anymore than the next guy, but I was there at the beginning of the war and went back 3 yrs later and I can tell you that we have made a hell of a difference in thier quality of life (you won't hear that on Network TV or the Communist News Network). And keep in mind, I know this is just my opinion.
Everytime that I go I HATE leaving my family, however it's for the better of someone else's life. Whether you believe we went for oil, revenge for Bush's dad or whatever the cause is that you believe; it helped the people there. I can tell you that the majority of them over DON'T hate us, yes they want to govern themselves but they don't have a problem with what we have done for them.
Again, just my opinion

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ORIGINAL: rhill20

Unfortunatly, we are in a position to where we don't have a choice but continue and finish what we started. I am currently in the US Army and am an 18 yr vet with 5 tours beginning with Desert Storm, Somalia x2 and my last 2 in Iraq. I don't really like going over there anymore than the next guy, but I was there at the beginning of the war and went back 3 yrs later and I can tell you that we have made a hell of a difference in thier quality of life (you won't hear that on Network TV or the Communist News Network). And keep in mind, I know this is just my opinion.
Everytime that I go I HATE leaving my family, however it's for the better of someone else's life. Whether you believe we went for oil, revenge for Bush's dad or whatever the cause is that you believe; it helped the people there. I can tell you that the majority of them over DON'T hate us, yes they want to govern themselves but they don't have a problem with what we have done for them.
Again, just my opinion

 
thx for the insight, I enjoy hearing these kinds of details
 

I trust the cheapest TV Evangelist more than than any Global Warming cultist.  Until I see one of then walkiing to work, I'll just pi$$ on them any chance I get!
 
What a bunch of new-age-loosers!  If they want me to believe, they should at least believe their own stink and walk everywhere!

I'm in Iraq right now and I have a first hand view. Sure we do our job while we are here, that's what we get paid for and that was my career choice.
However, The majority consensus by all here is...what the hell are we really here for???? I can tell you that if you took the mic and cameras from in front of a soldier, sailor, airman or marine they would all say (at least 99%) that they are tired of back to back deployments, tired of this (for lack of a better word WAR), and for soldiers back to back 15 month tours.
Bush has a personal agenda here and we all know that (what it is who the hell knows). We hired Bush and he has done a crappy job from day one; if you or I had a job and did not listen to our boss (for Bush the people), and did crappy work, then we would be fired with out hesitation. Why haven't we fired Bush yet?
Bottom line: any politician that supports Bush or the Iraqi war will NOT get my vote.
People need to stop voting for a particular party and vote for the person that will do the best job.
I did not by a HUMMER based on my political affiliation. To address politics in the same sentence as purchasing a vehicle just opens up a can of worms.
This is all my opinion (which I'm entitled to by the way). NONE of you have a better view of Iraq than I do (daily).
 
I'm done...sorry about the rant

i would have voted,but you didnt put one on there that said politics suck,so the heck with it.its all about the freakin money these days,not about the people,

Amen Hilljob!!!...I totally agree.
Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever...money talks...politics suck

Have you looked into Ron Paul Sarge? I find myself agreeing with most of his stances.  He has been against the Iraq War from the beginning.  He's the only canidate that voted against it that is currently running.  Hillary, as much as she talks about how bad it is, voted for both it and the Patriot Act.  Paul has voted against both of these, and his voting record while in Congress actually backs up what he talks about.  He has voted against anything he believes is unconstitutional.  His nickname in Congress is "Dr. No."

I'm conservative,... which should NOT be confused with republican. I'd have to say of the last 2-3 presidents,..Clinton has been the most conservative.  He didn't start any useless wars,..ballanced the budget, and stopped inflation.  THOSE are conservative values.

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ORIGINAL: sarge_taz_rock

I'm in Iraq right now and I have a first hand view. Sure we do our job while we are here, that's what we get paid for and that was my career choice.
However, The majority consensus by all here is...what the hell are we really here for???? I can tell you that if you took the mic and cameras from in front of a soldier, sailor, airman or marine they would all say (at least 99%) that they are tired of back to back deployments, tired of this (for lack of a better word WAR), and for soldiers back to back 15 month tours.
Bush has a personal agenda here and we all know that (what it is who the hell knows). We hired Bush and he has done a crappy job from day one; if you or I had a job and did not listen to our boss (for Bush the people), and did crappy work, then we would be fired with out hesitation. Why haven't we fired Bush yet?
Bottom line: any politician that supports Bush or the Iraqi war will NOT get my vote.
People need to stop voting for a particular party and vote for the person that will do the best job.

 
I feel for you.
I keep hearing reporters ask politicians what their chances of winning the war are,...or "are we winning" etc.  How can they be expected to answer that?  In order to know if your winning don't you first to know what the goal is?  I mean how do you know if you're achieving your goal if you don't have one?
 
I also hear BS like "turning over control to the Iraqi police".   Uhhhhhhhhh, WHICH Iraqi police or what Iraqi government?  From which party?  One minute you'll hear some habitual liar on TV talking about the different factions in Iraq (and they're aren't 3 by the way,..there's more like 9)  and in the next sentence you'll hear the same habitual liar say they're expecting to turn over control soon to THE Iraq government soon.  UUUUHHHH again,...which one?
 
They're not all going to get along and have a group hug.  The only 2 solutions are to either kill them all, or to make one party strong enough so that it can dominate the others.  (And being that the Iraqi's have never done anything to us,..I vote for the latter).  Sure all but one of the paryts will be unhappy,..but at least you'll have peace.  Of course that's what we had there with Sadam.
 
End of rant.  Hope I didn't offend anyone, it's just that having my tax dollars and our military used to commit attrocities all over the world really burns me.

     I would first like to thank rhill20 and sarge for their efforts. Second, I don't have a problem with Bush. He has made some unpopular desicions. I do think we are there for oil. I don't have a problem with that, and nobody else should either. Securing that oil is benificiary not only to the United States people and their way of life, but to the Iraqi people and their way of life and for that matter the rest of the world. Never before in recorded history has a nation as powerful as the U.S. been in power without absolutly crushing any and all oposition to it. People may think that about us, but if it where true then we would have nuked Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Venezuala and France a long time ago with out endangering too many servicemen. We actually try to help other nations. When something bad happens here ther is very little support. Usually only Great Britain and Isreal.
     Now that I am off my high horse, I would like to nominate R. Lee Ermey for president. I'd like to see those panty waist in congress tell him no when he asks for something!

Don't get me wrong Sarge, I do think that it is time to get out of there. But, we as you know have to be careful as to how we do that. We can't just pack up and leave like everybody thinks. It's going to take awhile to get everybody home. I have gotten on the plane everytime that I've been told to, agree or disagree. I had grave issues with Somalia but I went, twice. This is not intended as an "I love me" speech. Just talking. I have to say that I don't really consider myself a republican (solely), I do tend to agree with them more than anyone else normally. I'm not going to start on the Bush thing, I think that he started out in a rough spot (9-11), and followed some bad advise (intel) from people working for him. Other than that, I don't know, it's easy to sit a slam someone when you aren't the one in the hot seat (armchair quaterback). I feel for you Sarge, I've been there and have a pretty good idea what life is like for you right now. I'm sorry for that, but I'm proud of you and all that I have served with doing the same. Just keep your head, don't try to be a damned hero and get your ass home so that you can enjoy your H3!
 
 

Clinton ballanced the budget by sacraficing our safety. After Somalia and the "blackhawk down" incident, he pretty much showed the terrorist that if you give us a bloody nose we'll run away and hide. In case anyone has forgotten, we were in Somalia to help against attrocities happening to the Somalian people. I bet those Somalian's wern't happy to see us go, but I guess that didn't matter.

Well guys this has turned into a pretty heated yet very logical, and mature disscusion (to some extent). I agree with most of you. Those that I don't agree with, let's just agree to disagree. I will look into alternate candidates when it comes time to vote; but the bottom line is that ALL POLITICIANS LIE. They are all in one way or another going to piss on you and tell you it's raining, the checks in the mail, and the one probably all of us guys have used, "I won't C_ _ in your mouth...point (all lies).
All I'm saying is look at the total package when it comes time to vote. Don't vote for someone because they are republican, or democrat, don't vote for someone because they are black or white, don't vote for someone because he is from the North, South, East , or West. Vote for the person that you HONESTLY think will do the best job for this country and it's people.
We are all in the U.S of A together. Let's not continue to be the laughing stock of the world. We must unite and fix us before trying to fix others.
All in favor say AYE
Thank you all and GOD bless America!!!!
 
 

HILL, and everyone that has served in the military on this site. We are and always will be brothers and sisters first and foremost. We have/had a job to do and we do our best every single time.
Reporters, the media and the neighbors can have their opinions all day long, but until you have lived it you don't know chit.
I have been in 21 years and I was shooting for 28, after Iraq I'm done.
War is nasty; as a civilian you will NEVER get the real picture. It's all propaganda,and lies. Politicians have the uncanny ability to turn any situation around to suit their own particular needs.
I'm done with this thread and will not be adding anymore...I will get home to my family and my H3X...in one piece.
 
Brother Hill...thanks man

On that note. Thank YOU Sarge! Stay safe and I'll see you on the hill!

All I shall say is Clinton's first name should be Richard, because he is a Dikk, and so is his wife.    
I especially like my affordable health insurance premiums because of the health insurance and medical care reform Hillary pushed through....................NOT!!!

Very mature Doc.......NOT!!!