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djbrow3
7/25/2007 7:20:19 AM
I recently changed out the tires on my '06 H3.  I went from the original 265/75/16 to 285/75/16.  The fit wasn't a problem.  Now about 4 days later, the low tire pressure warning light has come on and stays on.  I checked and there is one major difference between these tires and stock.  Stock required 45psi, these new tires say 65psi.  I checked all 4 tires and they are at 65 still, so I know it isn't a leak. 

Is there something in the computer that needs to be changed for these new tires?  I had also thought maybe when the change was done they broke one of the sensors?  But if that was the case, why would it take 4 days before the light came on? 
I actually have an appointment with the service dept. for oil change and such, but figured I'd see if anyone else here who has changed out tires had a similiar issue.
Dennis
7/25/2007 7:24:56 AM
There is a calibration procedure I think in the Owner's manual....And 40 PSI is enough.
djbrow3
7/25/2007 7:27:12 AM
Thanks, Dennis.  When I get home tonight I'll RTFM and see if I can set calibration for the new tires.
Dennis
7/25/2007 7:34:18 AM
RTFM
mfish
7/25/2007 8:35:41 AM
Dude...your gonna blow a tire with that much pressure.  I hope your not getting the pressure off the side of the tire.  I wouldnt go over 40.  I have the stock 33's and I keep em around 37psi, 35 psi is what the door sticker says. 
Dennis
7/25/2007 8:41:07 AM
No Matt...the 285's can handle 50 MAX...so 40PSI is ideal.
 
mfish
7/25/2007 8:51:40 AM
my point was that  I wouldnt go over 40 psi for good tire wear, not that the tires couldn't handle it. The recommended pressure for the vehicle using those tires is in the door jam ( mine says 35 psi ).  Most people ( not saying you do ) make the mistake of getting the recommended pressure off the tires, which as you said only lists the max
Dennis
7/25/2007 8:54:40 AM

 
 
Don't know where he got the 65 psi though..
importkiller
7/25/2007 9:22:34 AM
EVEry tire is different as far as what it wants in air pressure for good tire wear...I don't mean every kind of tire I mean EVERY tire....have 4 tires you will normally have 4 different psi readings for perfect wear. The only way to really find what each tire wants is to make a line with chalk or a wax pencil from inner part of tire to outer part of tire on the top of the treads...then go for a drive around the block. When you get back note the line, if the entire line is gone then you are at perfect pressure as the entire footprint is making contact. If the outside edges are left and the center is worn then you are overinflated, center left and outside edges worn means you are underinflated. Every tire on your ride will need a different pressure and this process will need to be repeated several times a tire making different pressure changes...make note on paper what each tire needs so that future checks will be easy.
djbrow3
7/25/2007 9:40:11 AM
I did get the 65 psi from the side of the tire.  Which is also what the tire jockeys inflated them to upon installation.  When I get home tonight I'll lower them to between 45 and 50 psi based on comments here.  I wasn't sure what was ideal for the 285's.
Dennis
7/25/2007 10:09:40 AM
What brand of tire do you have..I was referring to the Bridgestone duelers that came with mine..

No.. one pressure for all of them, do not vary 1 pound between them or this will set off the TPM again....That's how the sytem works..it compares diferences in tires pressures....This includes the SPARE.
importkiller
7/25/2007 10:31:13 AM
The spare has a sensor in it but it is not read, only the four corners are read. I am almost positive that the four corners are not compared to each other but instead are monitored individually.
jpac4lyf
7/25/2007 10:32:19 AM
my '07 h3 is at the dealer. I have the bridgestone adventure 33's... they mentioned they'll check all 5 sensors and may replace sensors entirely OR put on stock tires. What does this mean and how is it different than ones I have on currently?
Dennis
7/25/2007 10:45:26 AM
The way is see it, they are being compared..I'm too lazy right now to go look for it..But somewhere I read that to keep the each tire within 1.5 PSI of each other. so...that's my deduction on it it at least..You maybe right about the spare, but if you replace it with one of the road tires as during a rotation, you don't want to throw the odd ball pressure in the mix...
mfish
7/25/2007 10:57:18 AM
I think importkiller is correct on this one.
 
quote:

ORIGINAL: importkiller

The spare has a sensor in it but it is not read, only the four corners are read. I am almost positive that the four corners are not compared to each other but instead are monitored individually.
Dennis
7/25/2007 11:05:42 AM
Damn it..you're gonna make me go look now ain't ya.....
Dennis
7/25/2007 11:12:20 AM
Okay here is the whole ball of wax...Iwas sorta wrong about them being compared..but not completely..


Tire Pressure Monitoring System Information
Components
There is a separate sensor/transmitter in each wheel. The TPM system shares the receiver with the keyless entry system. Data from the receiver is displayed on the instrument panel, using the driver information center (DIC).
Sensors
The sensor, with built-in valve stem, is inserted from the inside of the wheel, through a hole in the rim. It is retained by a nut (4 N.m, 35 lb. in.) and is sealed by a grommet. A lithium battery with a design life of 10 years powers the sensor.
Each sensor is coded differently. This permits the receiver to determine exactly which tire is over or under-inflated.
Operation
The sensors operate only above 20 mph (32 kph) and transmit once per hour when parked, to preserve battery power.
If the pressure in a tire rises or falls outside the calibration limits, the condition is displayed by the DIC. The low limit is 24 psi (168 kPa) and the upper limit is 39 psi (272 kPa).
Service
The sensors are lightweight, only about an ounce (28 g), and this small weight is easily accounted for during normal tire balancing.
The sensors are mounted within the well of the rim. It’s important to be careful when using a tire-mounting machine. The sensor could be damaged in two ways: either by (1) direct contact with the machinery or (2) by the bead of the tire as it is forced over the rim.

Use care when using tire machine.
Consult tire changer manufacturer’s support material for proper mounting procedures.


Sensor ruined by tire mounting equipment
The valve stem cap is made of aluminum and the valve core is nickel-plated to resist corrosion. The end of the stem serves as the sensor’s antenna.
TIP: Do not replace either the cap or the valve with standard parts. This will interfere with the sensor’s ability to transmit.
TIP: The TPM sensor is more precise than consumer-grade tire pressure gauges. It may be necessary to explain this if the customer routinely mis-inflates tires using a gas station gauge.
Receiver Programming
The receiver is programmed at the factory to recognize which sensor is at each wheel location. If tires are rotated or a sensor is replaced, the receiver must be reprogrammed, following SI procedures.
If the receiver is not reprogrammed, the system will continue to report the correct pressures, but will assign them to the wrong locations on the vehicle.
TIP: There are two reprogramming methods. You must use the J-41760 magnet when a new sensor is installed. During tire rotation, you can use either the magnet or your Tech 2.


J-41760 Magnet
Magnet Method
You will have only one minute between horn chirps, and five minutes overall, to complete the procedure once you start.
With ignition on, engine not running, press both lock and unlock buttons on the key fob. A horn chirp within 10 seconds indicates that the receiver is in programming mode.
At each wheel, hold the J-41760 magnet over the valve stem until the horn chirps, to force the sensor to transmit its code. You must follow this order: LF, RF, RR and LR. The horn chirps twice to indicate completion.
Scroll through the DIC readout to verify all four pressures are displayed.
Tech 2 Method
With the TPM Reprogramming procedure on your Tech 2, you can command each sensor to its new l
mfish
7/25/2007 11:34:25 AM
I dont get why we have to reprogram at each tire rotation.  The system doesnt tell us which tire is under/over inflated, it just tells us one of the tires is improperly inflated, so why does the receiver need to know where each sensor is, all the tires have the same recomended pressure.
 
I have had several rotations so I guess Hummer is doing the reprogramming for me.  
importkiller
7/25/2007 12:28:31 PM
because each sensor can only be read by the reciever it is transmitting to. if transmitter one is on right front and sensor one is on right rear then it won't read each other.
D VADER
7/25/2007 12:46:15 PM
O.K. I'M GONNA BELLY UP TO THE BAR AND MAKE MYSELF LOOK STUPIDER!
 
It use to be air pressure sensors were associated with run flat tires but I see they are being offered on other cars set ups.  Anyway I looked at the Hummer websight and my manual to see if this was standard.  Then I checked the Adventure Package but I see no mention of this.  Please bring me up to speed. I kinda hope I don't have them.
mfish
7/25/2007 12:48:49 PM
hhhmmm...I noticed this in Dennis' post:
 
"If the receiver is not reprogrammed, the system will continue to report the correct pressures, but will assign them to the wrong locations on the vehicle."
 
It sounds like our TPM system is the same used on many GM vehicles.  Some of those vehicles have the capability of telling you which tire is low, so reprogramming the sensor locations would be important.  The H3 does not use this feature so it sounds like reprogramming is pointless. 
mfish
7/25/2007 12:50:54 PM
As far as I know they are standard.  Why wouldn't you want them? 
 
quote:

ORIGINAL: D VADER

O.K. I'M GONNA BELLY UP TO THE BAR AND MAKE MYSELF LOOK STUPIDER!

It use to be air pressure sensors were associated with run flat tires but I see they are being offered on other cars set ups.  Anyway I looked at the Hummer websight and my manual to see if this was standard.  Then I checked the Adventure Package but I see no mention of this.  Please bring me up to speed. I kinda hope I don't have them.
D VADER
7/25/2007 12:56:59 PM
quote:

ORIGINAL: mfish

As far as I know they are standard.  Why wouldn't you want them? 

quote:

ORIGINAL: D VADER

O.K. I'M GONNA BELLY UP TO THE BAR AND MAKE MYSELF LOOK STUPIDER!

It use to be air pressure sensors were associated with run flat tires but I see they are being offered on other cars set ups.  Anyway I looked at the Hummer websight and my manual to see if this was standard.  Then I checked the Adventure Package but I see no mention of this.  Please bring me up to speed. I kinda hope I don't have them.


 
I don't feel a need for them. I see they make tire rotation more difficult for a DIY and it's something else that can go wrong.  I have a digital guage in my console and can monitor my own.
 
Are we sure they are standard?
importkiller
7/25/2007 1:35:18 PM
the entire system is a POS...IMO......Sorry but if you can't check your own damn tire pressures and can't feel when one is going flat then damnit maybe you shouldn't drive. Plus the system just does not work....I have not had them in my new rims for about a year now and have recieved the message a total of about three times. I have noticed that when I hit over 90mph I get the message...desn't happen often but I testedit last week a few times and that is when the message comes up. As ong as I keep er under 90 I never get a message...and I have no sensors....not a very good system.
f5fstop
7/25/2007 1:43:29 PM
That information posted by "Dennis" is not the correct information for the Hummer H3 or for most GM vehicles with the new tire pressure monitoring system. These are the old 'magnetic' switched sensors used on older model Cadillacs, and Corvettes.
Basically the system on the H3 operates:
The BCM can only decipher signals from four sensors, even though 06 and 07 vehicles have five sensors. That is why the four sensors on the ground have to be programmed into the BCM; the spare is then ignored. The BCM will only signal that a tire is low on pressure, it will not tell which tire; therefore, the sensors are NOT programmed to a specific corner of the vehicle. For that reason, on this system, you can rotate the four tires on the ground and not have to reprogram the system for those sensors. If you add the spare into the rotation, you will have to program the four sensors on the ground to remove the one sensor that is now the spare. Corvettes and Cadillacs do read the corner specific sensors, and will tell you which tire is low, the H3 will not.
You cannot program these sensors using a magnet or the Tech 2. These are NOT magnetically controlled valves as used in older Corvettes, these are different. The dealer has a tool (J-46079) that excites the sensor to send out a signal. When doing a relearn or program of the four sensors, you set the BCM into learn mode, and then, if doing the program with a tool, you walk up to a tire, hit the button on the tool, the horn honks, and you move onto the next designated tire until all four on the ground are programmed into the BCM. If doing it at home, enter the learn mode and let air out of a tire or add air until the horn honks and move on to the next tire. During learn, the BCM learns the serial number of the correct sensors. Since the BCM can only read four sensors, the spare sensor is ignored.
The serial numbers of the sensors are NOT lost if the battery is disconnected. If so, I would have had to relearn my sensors every time I wired in another electrical device. Then again, I KNOW how this system works, and again, it is not as described in the earlier thread.
I guess I should say I'm sorry for disagreeing with the administrator, but can I read this thread knowing information is incorrect?
 
I might add that the tire pressure monitoring systems are required by Federal Law, and were phased in over a two year period. I believe all vehicles built after this September are required to have a direct read method, which is what the H3 has.
The averaged system was vetoed by the Feds. In the averaged system, the computer looked at the speeds of four ABS wheel speed sensors, and if one was at a different speed it was assumed this tire was low. Accuracy was terrible, and if all four tires were low, the computer could not determine if they were dangerously low. Therefore, if all four tires were at 5 psi and ready to blow, all the computer would know is that all four wheels were turning at the same speed.
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