Jeeps vs Hummers... - Page 2

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what came first, the chicken or the egg?


another useless argument with no real answer . . . .  

 
 
 

 
 
 
 

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don't you just love going to the remote antenna farm sites? 

 
Yeah.... in a 9000lb 1wd E-250 to boot....
 




 

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100 years of incredible off road machines made by Jeep into the discussion as well....not fair is it?

Not to be a smarty pants, but Jeep hasn't been around as we know nearly as long as that and it was made by different companies.  I was curious so I did a little reasearch.

"In 1940, the Army sent out specifications for a new "General Purpose" vehicle to 135 auto manufacturers. They were invited to compete for a lucrative contract to produce the vehicle for the military. To qualify for the competition, a company had to supply 70 prototype vehicles within 75 days. The main competitors were the American Bantam company, Willys and Ford. Forty million miles of test drives later, Willys won the contract. Later, Ford subcontracted to build some of the Jeeps using the Willys' design."

"After the war many Jeeps were sold as surplus, and many people wanted a tough reliable vehicle, so Willys took advantage of this and started the universal CJ line (CJ-2A, CJ-3B). The CJ line was continued by Kaiser and AMC (CJ-5, CJ-6, CJ-7, CJ-8)."


"In 1970, American Motor Company purchased Jeep from Kaiser, and then itself was bought out by Chrysler in 1987. The switching of hands stopped when Daimler-Benz and Chrysler joined to form DaimlerChrysler."


I thought it was interesting that both vehicles were at one time produced by AMC.  Both brands were bought and "civilianized" only the Jeep has been going through civilianization for 21 years so that explains why the modern Jeep is so far removed from the original Jeeps.  It will be interesting to see where the Hummer goes...It is still only a few models removed from it's original roots.

Lisa

Good thread..very entertaining

This is an argument with no end because the answer involves a lot of personal preferences and no small amount of pride and emotion.
Impy is correct. I have had a multitude of 4x4 vehicles including two CJs and a Cherokee. I loved my CJs. It has been awhile since I had them but the main reason I got rid of them is that I couldn't carry enough gear in one. Throw a buddy or two in a CJ for a 2-4 day hunt with gear and something or someone gets left behind. The Cherokee was a sorry POS and I wouldn't wish one of those on my worst enemy. If that bothers anyone that was my personal experience and that's all I can comment on. The Rubi, IMO, is a more capable off road vehicle than the H3. The Rubi is also built to be much more of an off road vehicle than the H3. The H3 is a very civilized 4x4 and very capable off road when you consider what a great on road everyday vehicle it is.
I took my H2 anywhere and everywhere. I have said it before but the H2 is the best combination of offroad 4x4 and everyday driver I have ever driven. Once again, my opinion and experience, but I don't see where anyone can argue with this.
The H1 is in a class by itself for an off the showroom floor vehicle. For most people the H1 is not an ideal everyday driver. I have driven 4x4s and trucks most of my life so it doesn't bother me at all.

I am talking stock, from the factory rigs. As far as I am concerned once you have performance modded the vehicle you are out of the discussion.
For what it is worth that is my .02. I am sure I have not persuaded anyone to change positions but that is what my experience, as modest as that is, tells me.

Let the debate continue.

ok, the chicken and egg pic cracked me up.  as for the pic of the cell site, that's not even close to remote, that's just driving in grass.  i'm talking about the ugly ones with a view, like this

Its not about the Cell Stations... its about the journey there that I enjoy :P
And I dont even work for them!

you're right, the journey is the best part of it.  'cuz once you get there you have to do real work . . . .

I loved my 85 CJ7, never let me down. I love my H3, hasn't let me down yet. Different vehicles, yes. Built with different root purposes, yes. BUT, like 3Hummers said, it's a matter of opinion. The Rubi is great, the CJ was great, but I personally don't like anything about the newer TJ/YJ/JK. Just a personal preference. As far as which one is better, The Rubi or the H3? I doubt that around here I will ever find out, so whatever. My H3 will get me though anything that I've seen around here.
 
Oh, and know this isn't fair but I can't resist:

OK!!! here's the deal guy's, I've got 3 Hummer coming up this summer from New York, Injun your 6 hours away and I have already invited you to come up, Impy, your 7 to 8 hours away you are also invited, but......you would have to come with your Rubi, who's game and who's not!!!!!! anybody else want to come, your all welcome.

all I know was this thread was dull and boring before I posted
 
nothing like a little back and forth to get the board moving again.
 
Jeep has been around since 1940 give or take and yes there are different makers...BUT...Injun is considering the H1 part of the hummer lineup..which was made by AM general where as the Hummer name now is made by GM..so Hummer also has had a few builders as well.
 
THis debate is fun for me...I have an 06 h3 and an 07 Rubi, I also have a modded 97 Grand Cherokee that will go anywhere the h3 will go...My brother also just bought my mother a new Liberty that we pick up Friday, so I do like the Jeep line. I am not taking anything away from any truck..jeep or hummer, I love all of them. Granted the H1 is the best off the showroom floor of any off road vehicle....BUT what are we comparing here? A $35,000 Jeep against a $100,000 H1? Thats a crazy comparison. A fair comparison is to take $120,000 and buy an H1 and mod with money you left and take a $35,000 Jeep and mod with what you have left...after $120,000 which one would be better? Lets just say that JP magazine took an 08 Jeep JK, modded the hell out of it, put in a Cumming Turbo Diesel and trans, modded teh suspension to fit 42" crawlers with only 5 inches of lift..and all cost around $65,000 in mods. It was sick and IMO with the weight advantage, low center of gravity, 42" crawlers, twin stick t-case, rockwell axles axles, hydro assist steering  and loads of other goodies I don't think there is another rig on the road that could compete with it. I know this is a stretch but the whole deal would cost the same as a H1 when it was new.
 
Again I am not knocking either vehicle..just saying to be realistic in your comparisons.

If I can afford(both time and money) to do so I will definitly be there!

Now that we have solved that issue once and for all shall we move on to world peace?

NOOOO, if we have world peace I'm out of a job!!

I will admit that the journey to tower sites is a lot more fun than getting there.  Bucking snow drifts and mud bogging is a lot more fun in a company truck because you don't have to worry about scratches.  They expected them to be rode hard and put up wet.  I wish I had thought to take pictures back in those days. 

If there is anywhere my H2 can't get me than at least it has the power to get me close enough to get there with my other off road transportation, LOL.

 
Lisa

Another horse person.Alright. And you are right, not many Jeeps at horse events.
 
Rich, no worries, you will never be out of a job.

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Another horse person.Alright. And you are right, not many Jeeps at horse events.

 
The H2 has the added bonus of being able to pull a house down if you so desired.  It hauls better than my GMC did.  The only limitation is that I can't pull a gooseneck.  Lately I have seen more and more H2's and even more H3's on farms.  They are in fact capable of real work.
 
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We have an F-250 crew cab diesel 4x4 to pull the gooseneck ( 4 horse with LQ ) There are a few H2s that show up with bumper pulls at some of the events.

You know, I think that we have as many threads about "Jeep vs Hummer" as we do "how to crank my TB's" 

I think your right.

OK, I tried to keep out of this thread.  Honestly, I did.  But why is this an issue?  Jeeps are NOT better than Hummers.  But guess what...Hummers are NOT better than Jeeps.  They're just different and they are both fantastic offroad vehicles.  So are FJ's, Rovers, and a lot of other nice trucks out there.   They can all go where most of the rest of the motoring public couldn't even imagine.  But somehow, that's never good enough.  Jeep guys want to argue that their rigs are a million times superior to Hummers.  Guess what.  They're not.  The opposite is no more true.
 
Bottom line, is if you have a car and you love it, then you have my respect.  I don't care if it's a completely blinged out Hummer, of a Jeep covered to the roof in mud.  Makes no difference.  Heck, I don't even care if you're the president of the Yugo Association of America.  If that's you're passion, more power too you.
 
By the way, I posted this after watching some Hummer YouTube videos.  Makes me sick how ignorant and petty people are over there, so it got me fired up.  Also, this isn't a slam on the original message on this thread.  Light hearted poking fun is good.  When it becomes a 4 page debate is when it gets a little absurd.
 
Just my $0.02.
 
JR

JR that is part of what the forum is for. Besides we are all friends here and enjoy goading each other a little. Lots of us have had Jeeps and other 4x4s and know the other vehicles well. I'm taking the H3 Alpha offroad for the first time this weekend. It will be interesting to see how it compares to my old CJs. I will post my opinion and that is all it will be. If people want to debate then so be it.

...and I do agree totally that the forum is for debating this and I fully support healthy debate.  It's just when it gets to name calling, baseless and inaccurate information, and the like that it gets annoying. 
 
Yes, I agree, I can choose not to go on the forums.  And also, don't get the wrong idea.  I wasn't knocking the forum at all.  I really wasn't mad at anyone.  My main point was just that if you love your car I think that's great, whatever it may be.
 
JR
 

No problem. When you have been on the forum awhile and know the people and personalities a little better I think you'll see the ribbing and button pushing a little clearer. It took me awhile to figure out that some of the guys that ragged on each other the most were the best friends. I just think you were reading more into the "debate" than was in there. It is all old news and the real wheelers know that the driver and the tires make the biggest difference. Enjoy the forum.