Jeep v Hummer

I'm not sure if I put this in the right area...but was wondering. Is there a little "competition" between "Hummer people" and "Jeep people". The reason I ask: I was shopping for Hummer t-shirts online and while searching I pulled up a page that sold a shirt that said "Hummer recovery team"...it took me a moment to realize it was a Jeep t-shirt. I mentioned it to my son and he told me that Jeep drivers claim to have pull Hummer's out when they get stuck and generally don't like Hummers.. Have any of you heard of this little animosity? Just curious

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Naaaw! Jeep freaks are cool tough dudes..Here is one of their promo videos; JEEP

And they are a very intelligent type of people; More of JEEPS and their owners

Those videos are too much! My husband enjoyed them too

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ORIGINAL: H24fun

Those videos are too much! My husband enjoyed them too

Glad you enjoyed them...In my book I have no animosity towards JEEPS or their owners...But for some reason a lot of JEEP owners have a thing about HUMMERS..Maybe jealousy me thinks.

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ORIGINAL: blackstangs281

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jeeps are about to be:

no, but seriously, H24fun, the jeep thing doesn't just end at t-shirts. They have probably 1000 threads on 100 different forums (every other thread on basically every forum, eventually, winds up with jeepers obsessing about hummers), they have staged videos, magazine reviews that freak out for 3 pages about how much hummers cost, and on and on and on. They have threads celebrating keying hummers and condoning keying hummers. Moderators on jeep forums are sometimes among the worst of the lot.

Its nuts.

But... i think mostly its a certain segment of jeepers, and most jeepers are extremely nice guys. They have cool trucks, so i'd guess most of them are just happy to toodle around.

And i think the basic shrinkology behind it is just a good old-fashioned inferiority complex. The offroad world, before hummers, probably consisted of a few jeep and the occasional toyota or suzuki or whatever, all modified, all basically the same, all worth about $5k. H1s were so rare and eclectic that they were probably as much a novelty presence as a competitive one. Then all of a sudden the H2 hits the streets and you probably had, i don't know, some wall street guys drinkin & driving down a stream somewhere with their wall-street girlfriends. Sort of breaks up the routine for the offroad gang.

Perhaps what was once a modest-mans sport suddenlly had a well-heeled and glossy content that wasn't dedicated to it - they were just out to mess about for a day. (nobody can take offense to that, i grew up as poor as anybody who might read this thread, but via that childhood, i have seen many times the attitude of people towards the "rich". Not that you have to be rich to drive an H2, but richer than you do to drive a beat up old heep)


The other part of the psychology behind "the jeep thing" is that people are sheep. We, all of us, tend to jump on bandwagons once they get rolling. So maybe every jeeper that couldn't afford a hummer - as people, including me, often react to things out of their grasp - wanted tos ay something bad about hummers. And when one person did, and they didn't get slapped, another did. And then another, and then...

...like bellbottoms, the hula hoop, and disco, it just became the in thing. i hypothesized about the hummer hysteria on the H2 board once, and i still stand by my thoughts.


But don't worry, it won't last. Hummers, and H2s (now that the H1 is gone), are the best stock offroad vehicles on the planet. The Rubicon is a great truck, and its little, which would let it sneak some places a hummer wouldn't fit, and give it easier choices on others, and so it would at tiems perform better. And hummers are big and wide and can go up alot of hills that would flip lil jeeps, and hummers will at times perform better as well.

It won't last, because it isn't true (H2s are awesome offroad), and because eventually even the most irrational mouth is silenced by a steady dose of reality. And it won't last because eventually lynch-mobs and witch-burning drugged-up salemites ... well, eventually fires burn out.

But for now, the H2 fire is still pretty toasty.

I used to own several Jeeps. And so did my fiancee', but when we went to drive the H3 she hit the nail on the head, "It's a bigger, better Jeep". I don't totally agree because Hummer doesn't make a vehicle that is in direct competition with the Wrangler(soft-top, 2 door, etc.) but as far as the rest of their line-up, I do have to agree. We haven't had the H3 off-road yet, so we are still a little unsure of its capabilites outside of the dealers test track. Therefore, I enjoy the company off-road and laugh off any resentment.

I will say however, before we bought our H3 there was a certain prickish stigma that came with owning or driving a Hummer. I plan on defying that generalization and being as nice as possible to any person I meet on the trail.

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I will say however, before we bought our H3 there was a certain prickish stigma that came with owning or driving a Hummer. I plan on defying that generalization and being as nice as possible to any person I meet on the trail.

but, is that prickish stigma a function of hummer drivers or a complex about having a big expensive truck out there?

for the most part, i think the jeep guys go on the offensive and its only rarely that i've seen hummer people rip jeeps in posts. probably i do more than anybody else, but i don't mean ill by it, i just mean to call a spade a spade (with respect to the hummer/jeep thing being about cash and assumptions more than capability of hummers or the behvaior of their owners).

Basically, i just ask this: is there any basis for jeep guys thinking hummer guys are snobs, or did the jeep/hummer thing get created purely on assumption and envy from the other camp?

obviously i wasn't there for all of the origins, but i tend to think the latter.

That stigma came from several run-ins with people that drive or were driving their Hummers. I had an incident with 2 H2 owners while off-road. They had no respect for anyone else, were extremely intoxicated, and trashed(tried to cut donuts, ran over a fence, and left their trash everywhere) the private land that the owner had let us use. On several other occasions Hummers, H1's, H2's and H3's in traffic have just driven without regard for anyone else. I know these isolated incidents don't reflect the group as a whole, but would certainly put off an unnerving aura about the people that drive this particular brand of vehicle to someone who hasn't seen any good.

And as I saw in another thread, you generally only see the negative side of things.
With that in mind I have had several good experiences too. I based my own opinion on the good versus the bad experiences I have had, and do not have the same feelings I had before.

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ORIGINAL: Jake

That stigma came from several run-ins with people that drive or were driving their Hummers. I had an incident with 2 H2 owners while off-road. They had no respect for anyone else, were extremely intoxicated, and trashed(tried to cut donuts, ran over a fence, and left their trash everywhere) the private land that the owner had let us use. On several other occasions Hummers, H1's, H2's and H3's in traffic have just driven without regard for anyone else. I know these isolated incidents don't reflect the group as a whole, but would certainly put off an unnerving aura about the people that drive this particular brand of vehicle to someone who hasn't seen any good.

And as I saw in another thread, you generally only see the negative side of things.
With that in mind I have had several good experiences too. I based my own opinion on the good versus the bad experiences I have had, and do not have the same feelings I had before.

Hi jake,

its unfortunate that you had a run-in with some negative folks.

if the bolded comment was meant as you=greenblade, i'm sorry i come/came across that way. I don't think that my comments are generally or necessarily ever negative or positive, but i do guess i don't try to gloss them over. I'm sure that some folks don't like my over-pondering, but i don't mean to offend. If you'd like to point out a specific, i'd be happy to address.

otherwise take it easy & welcome to the wild & wacky world of hummers

No, no, not directing the bolded comment at you, at all! I am saying from the Jeep side. When we were coming into contact with people who drove Hummers, I didn't want you to think all we ever had were negative experiences. I wanted to communicate that not all of those were negative some were indeed positive.

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ORIGINAL: Jake

No, no, not directing the bolded comment at you, at all! I am saying from the Jeep side. When we were coming into contact with people who drove Hummers, I didn't want you to think all we ever had were negative experiences. I wanted to communicate that not all of those were negative some were indeed positive.

i got you. just wanted to say i didn't mean harm in case.

i think quite a bit about internet and posting, and while i guess one is more or less as anonymous as you choose to be here, at the same time i think about all the attention hummers draw, and how probably these hummer forums draw just as much from lord-knows-who.

often i think the neatest thing would be to find groups of folks to go hit some of these famous trials with - certainly experienced folks couldn't hurt ones cause on the trail, and company is good. But i also often think that this jeep/hummer, h1vsh2, and so on and so forth... does it end at the real world? I mean, is all the bickering and insults and craziness just online or are people really thsi nuts in the real world too?

i guess all the competitiveness and machismo surrounding the online offroading thing sort of contrasts my real-world offroading experiences. its usually fun, sometimes scary, and mostly just really really relaxing. In a way, its as perplexing as finding yoga web sites full of insults and rivalries. but, hey, maybe yoga websites are just like it, lol

I completely agree. 99% of my off-road experiences have been great. Everybody is there for the goodtimes, no matter what they drive. It's the 1%ers that can turn a great time upside down.

hey, i accidentally blocked you. i didn't even know that could happen.

i have had one bad experience where i'm pretty sure a couple of other guys "helping out" were trying to get the H2 in a jam. i ultimately just parted ways headed another direction... but i guess it did make me wonder if sometimes this stuff does spill out onto the trails.

Thats just down right dangerous. Letting brand of vehicles get in the way of safety off-road is juvenile to the point of being criminal. I would hope to never find an occurrence of that out in the wild.

Thanks for all the great responses to my question...some very interesting points, indeed. I haven't encountered any negative reactions from anyone, but then I only have my H2(which I affectionately dubbed "the tank")for about a week...so it's early. I try to be friendly and courteous when I'm on the road so as to quell any misconception people may have about Hummer owners.

One of my good friends and a co-worker of mine...loved "the tank" so much, she's now shopping for one to replace her JEEP CHEROKEE

the tank, that's pretty good.

a friend of mine started calling mine "the short bus" but i had guilt about that as there's a shortbus with a membership here.

the whole ruckus and competitiveness among the offroad community has sort of left me with the biggest urge to 'wheel with people i know. if i crash, i crash, but it'll be at the hands of me and a spotter i nkow wants my truck to go home in one piece, not some jeep nut trying to get a picture to post alongside that tie rod video.

lol

but the H2 has some kind of mojo, that's for sure. i can't imagine anything else on wheels that could generate such a wave...

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ORIGINAL: Jake

No, no, not directing the bolded comment at you, at all! I am saying from the Jeep side. When we were coming into contact with people who drove Hummers, I didn't want you to think all we ever had were negative experiences. I wanted to communicate that not all of those were negative some were indeed positive.

A thought that came to me over the morning java:

I've wondered at times if the jeep/hummer thing isn't basically about money. I can't imagine that the typical hummer driver had anything against jeeps before all the insanity (or probably even after all the anti-hummer insanity from jeepers, its very interesting, and its fun to poke back, but does it really bug anybody?). Questions of money and social status can often result in the "rich guy" getting judged harshly.

For example, if somebody in a pinto pulls up to the bar and George says hi, and pinto-man doesn't respond, george might just think "what is he, deaf?"

But if a guy in a Maybach pulls up & sits next to George, also not responding, George might be more prone to thinking "a-hole, thinks he's too good for me"

certainly the maybach guy would be more likely to be judged a snob than the pinto guy.


And i think the same thing comes into play with hummers.

So i ask - if somebody showed up with a brand-new shiny Rubicon or Grand Cherocar w/all the options... would they perhaps get the same reaction but to a lesser degree?


Please note, i'm not saying that hummer drivers have never done wrong, i'm just observing that its unlikely that the reaction among the jeep (and some other, but notably not land rover, offroading communities) community is realistic or rational. more emotional & competitive.

I note that i have not seen continuous streams of hummer hysteria on land rover sites. In fact, i think most of the land rover-vs-hummer stuff i've seen on the web isn't by land rover guys. its other guys (not hummer or LR) saying LRs are so much better.

But, then, you could get a land rover valet parked & take it to broadway, couldn't you? I think there's a distinct correlation there.

to add one to that as well.

jake, whoever else has had a bad experience, its too bad that bad things happen, and i'm sure they do, and i'm sure sometimes at the hands of a hummer guy/gal.

but what is seen on jeep forums and the like is a systematic indictment of anything hummer that isn't alot unlike the KKK in the 60's. Sweeping condemnation and insult of people based on their choice of truck. And, generally, whenever somebody makes broad generalizations that are very negative or condemning, you have to wonder what's really going on, because its unlikely that any group is "all bad".

hence i really struggle to believe that the jeep/hummer thing is about anything sensible or tangible or rational or reasonable, and tend to guesstimate that its more class warfare on an emotional level.

I don't know that it is an issue of those who have not versus those who have, that would be far too easy. On some levels it may just be they believe that people spend a supposed ton of money on something that claims to be all about off-roading, and yet a very small percentage will actually use that capability. That would be a broad generalization they can't really make based on the aformentioned theory. I do not belong to any Jeep forums, but if they are lambasting Hummer owners simply because, that in itself shows a marked level of ignorance.

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ORIGINAL: Jake

I don't know that it is an issue of those who have not versus those who have, that would be far too easy.

yeah, it isn't as simple as that. I entered some thoughts about my take on how hummers came to be under such scrutiny on the H2 board if you're interested. i won't risk boring everybody with a repeat.

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On some levels it may just be they believe that people spend a supposed ton of money on something that claims to be all about off-roading, and yet a very small percentage will actually use that capability. That would be a broad generalization they can't really make based on the aformentioned theory.

but. i bet its as high or higher % of H2s offroad than Grand Cherocars or new Wranglers or Land Rovers of any type. And if i was wrong (and there's no way i am about the GCherokee), nobody knows that i'm wrong. And again, like much with the H2, the "reality" that its all non-offroading soccer moms is at least as much repeating what one has read many times as it is observation of actualities. I probably see 50 or 100 Wranglers every day here in the summer. They are like ants, absolutely everywhere. I've seen non-street tires on less than 10 total, and i've only seen one rubicon on the streets.

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I do not belong to any Jeep forums, but if they are lambasting Hummer owners simply because, that in itself shows a marked level of ignorance.

well search "hummer vs jeep" or "hummer offroad" or whatever it is, and usually it leads to jeep forums ragging on hummers. I've never tried to find that stuff, its just (more often than not) what pops up when you search for anything about hummers.

I think its a shame jeepers don't have a better attitude, in the end it'll only hurt everybody in the offroad community.

Now, have you ever seen a HUMMER owner do this??

I mean really, how brainless is this?

Trash a JEEP

Now This jeep is cool..watch it to the end.

Aqua-JEEP