How Strong Is Your H1?

Like the subject says.
But I'm not talking about horsepower, or torque. I'm sure we all know that you can put your neighbors car on the roof and still go up a steep incline with the torque capabilities.
 
What I'm talking about is ramming power. As in, if god forbid you were in an accident, how strong do you believe your H1 would hold up if rear-ended or if you crashed into traffic.
 
And how much do you think you'd end up having to pay in repairs, or do you believe you'd just roll over the opposition?

Never had a wreck in an H1. Had two in my H2. The other cars were small ( BMW, Honda ) Both were severely damaged. I sustained zero damage in either wreck. H1s would not be cheap to repair but if I have to take my chances in an accident I would rather be in the 8000# vehicle than the 3000# one.

I have read posts about a few H1 accidents... One included a border patrol truck(H1 2dr pickup) and a bmw x5(SUV), sad to say the driver of bmw died at scene and literally the driver half of the vehicle was scattered on the road... Also heard about cars rear ending the heavy duty bumper of an H1 and the bumper only required some touch up paint the cars usually required a new front end(rad, hood, bumper etc)... And another accident I heard about was a car running right into the rear tire of an h1 from the side, the car was a wreck and the H1 only had a blown bead he also had runflats so he drove himself to his garage for repairs.

Also I myself have ran over a burnt car and 2 junkers with my H1 so far... but it was offroad and i lined my tires up properly. Also have ran over a tree about 30feet+ tall and was about 6" in diameter... almost threw my friend off his dirtbike which was following behind after i drove off of it. also have taken out a friends(ford explorer) rear hatch window and dent in rear hatch from giving him a bum start with my front brush guard.

this should help answer yor question/keep you entertained...
http://www.lynchhummer.com/tailgater.html 

Those are like my accidents in the H2. One lady in a Honda ran underneath the back of me on the freeway and a girl in a BMW croosed the lane line and hit my back rear tire. In both cases I had no damage and the other cars were heavily damaged. The Honda had to be towed away.

Wow, those are all intense stories.
So it is as tough as it looks. Very pleased with that. The runflat sure would come in handy as well!

Run flat is good for the street but not much good offroad. A spare is eesential if you are going to spend time offroad.

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Run flat is good for the street but not much good offroad. A spare is eesential if you are going to spend time offroad.

 
i believe manny would disagree with you about that...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV8cInjRFmk
 
blew a bead during that run and swaping to a spare was out of the question so he had to continue on until level ground... Run flat saved his rim I am sure.

Might be better than nothing but I wouldn't count on the run flat to get me out of most places off road. Not sure why AMG didn't have a spare with the H1 but in sand, mud, etc the run flat isn't your first choice of options.

I believe my very next step with this vehicle will be to eliminate the runflats altogether.  I can get a standard size aftermarket rim with ctis and subsequently be able to put standard tires on at standard tire shops.  This will hopefully eliminate the 8hrs of labor @ $120/hr to mount and balance at the hummer dealerships and replace it with everyday costs of about $20/tire and it only takes them about an hour to do it... yah... I think that is what I am going to do.
 
any thoughts here?

first... regarding the Hummer in a crash.... that all depends on what you hit..... Hummers, when they hit other hummers or alike, I don't think really have that great of a crush zone, so watch those ankles, wrists, heads etc.... you have a steel dor not too far from your head if in a side imnpact.... plus not a whole lot of steel between the outside and the frame.... so... again it all depends....
 
relative to the tires... get the 2 pc wheels and then do the work yourself.... the only thing left is to have them balanced which you can then do at a tire shop / dealer.... just beware, some places will want to shave your tire... the BEST way to balance a tire is from a roadforce balance where they will apply a load to the tire while its spinning....

You can remove the runflats from your stock wheels and save the cost of the new wheels. I've got a set in my storeroom. Removing them means that any tire store that handles truck tires/off road tires can mount and balance for you.

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first... regarding the Hummer in a crash.... that all depends on what you hit..... Hummers, when they hit other hummers or alike, I don't think really have that great of a crush zone, so watch those ankles, wrists, heads etc.... you have a steel dor not too far from your head if in a side imnpact.... plus not a whole lot of steel between the outside and the frame.... so... again it all depends....

relative to the tires... get the 2 pc wheels and then do the work yourself.... the only thing left is to have them balanced which you can then do at a tire shop / dealer.... just beware, some places will want to shave your tire... the BEST way to balance a tire is from a roadforce balance where they will apply a load to the tire while its spinning....

 
What do you mean they will "shave" my tires?  How do you tell if they are going to do that or have done that already?  I dont think I want that done ... at all...
 
Roadforce Balancer?  Is that the machine that balances the tires?

Alien it doesn't cost $1200.00 to mount and balance tires on a Hummer rim with or without runflats. The runflat is the wildcard for many tire places.

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Alien it doesn't cost $1200.00 to mount and balance tires on a Hummer rim with or without runflats. The runflat is the wildcard for many tire places.

 
Ok... but that is what they are charging me.  Franks refuses to do the work... they either dont have someone to do it or dont have the "tools".  Whatever.  Sewell's parts/service guy knows squat about H1s and quoted me $250/tire to mount and balance (he was unable to break down that price for me so I could understand wherefor).  Classic quoted me $120/hr with a min/max of 7 to 10hrs (they were the only dealership to offer a loaner vehicle).  That information is as of the last couple of days.
 
So... I came to these forums looking for help with just this problem.  I found some aftermarket rims w/o runflats that are of a more standard/acceptable size (4x 18" Cepek - G.T. Wheel w/hidden CTIS and 4500 lb load capacity but w/o runflats + some Toyo MTs 37(38?)/12.5/18 x4 = about 3200), I found that these Dallas dealerships are trying to screw me, but I have not found anyone here in Dallas that can do anything for me for less than 1000 to 1200 to mount and balance. 
 
Oh... I had alread bought the Radial IROKs 37/12.5/16.5 x4 before I found out about the aftermarket stuff so you will probably see me posting the facter rims with brand new IROKs on them soon.  I was turned down by three other tire places before I just gave up on getting someone else (besides the dealership) to put the IROKs on for me today (Discount Tire, Tire King, and someplace else).
 
That about sums it up.  If you know where I can go and not pay that price... I am listening.
 
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first... regarding the Hummer in a crash.... that all depends on what you hit..... Hummers, when they hit other hummers or alike, I don't think really have that great of a crush zone, so watch those ankles, wrists, heads etc.... you have a steel dor not too far from your head if in a side imnpact.... plus not a whole lot of steel between the outside and the frame.... so... again it all depends....

relative to the tires... get the 2 pc wheels and then do the work yourself.... the only thing left is to have them balanced which you can then do at a tire shop / dealer.... just beware, some places will want to shave your tire... the BEST way to balance a tire is from a roadforce balance where they will apply a load to the tire while its spinning....

What do you mean they will "shave" my tires?  How do you tell if they are going to do that or have done that already?  I dont think I want that done ... at all...

Roadforce Balancer?  Is that the machine that balances the tires?

 
Yes, they will actually "cut" rubber from your tires to balance out the weight..... the road-force I believe is a trade name but it might just be the name for the operation of balancing.... some tire-shops don't know what this is, but when I had it done it was around $150 for 4 tires.....
 
If you are looking for someone to help you out with your setup, you likely need to spend some time on humvee.net's webforum as I know there are other Hummer owners in your area who can answer your questions.... I know there was one owner near Ft Worth who looked at a Hummer for me prior to purchase....

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ORIGINAL: phazer42

first... regarding the Hummer in a crash.... that all depends on what you hit..... Hummers, when they hit other hummers or alike, I don't think really have that great of a crush zone, so watch those ankles, wrists, heads etc.... you have a steel dor not too far from your head if in a side imnpact.... plus not a whole lot of steel between the outside and the frame.... so... again it all depends....

relative to the tires... get the 2 pc wheels and then do the work yourself.... the only thing left is to have them balanced which you can then do at a tire shop / dealer.... just beware, some places will want to shave your tire... the BEST way to balance a tire is from a roadforce balance where they will apply a load to the tire while its spinning....

What do you mean they will "shave" my tires?  How do you tell if they are going to do that or have done that already?  I dont think I want that done ... at all...

Roadforce Balancer?  Is that the machine that balances the tires?

Yes, they will actually "cut" rubber from your tires to balance out the weight..... the road-force I believe is a trade name but it might just be the name for the operation of balancing.... some tire-shops don't know what this is, but when I had it done it was around $150 for 4 tires.....

If you are looking for someone to help you out with your setup, you likely need to spend some time on humvee.net's webforum as I know there are other Hummer owners in your area who can answer your questions.... I know there was one owner near Ft Worth who looked at a Hummer for me prior to purchase....

 
Thank you Sir for the information and advice.
 
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Did you get a hold of Sam?

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Did you get a hold of Sam?

 
I had no contact info for Sam, so I am dropping off the Hummer at Classic tomorrow morning and getting a loaner for the weekend...
 
Classic says that one piece rims or two piece does not matter.  It is going to take them 7 to 10hrs labor but I got the rate down to $105/hr for mounting and balancing.  It still sucks, but I dont really have any other options that are available immediately.
 
:(

Sure glad us southern ontario folks have Phil. Would hate to pay that much to get a set of tires mounted and balanced.

Check your PMs. I sent Sam's contact info.

I saw a photo in the local paper last year where an H2 was hit head on by a Jeep Honcho at speed. The Jeep went to pass someone and didn't get back over quick enough. The front of the H2 was messed up bad and the driver's door had popped out and back, but the Jeep was destroyed and the driver died. The H2 driver came out with a broken foot. Then they mentioned that the impact had skewed the H2 to the right and wacked a phone pole with the passenger rear door. I had to show the article to my wife to give her an idea of how tough her truck was. Wonder what the damage would have been had the H2 had a Road Armor bumper on it???

I have seen a few messed up H2s ( Muddy's for one ) but most survived their accidents pretty well and certainly far better than whatever they ran into.

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Alien it doesn't cost $1200.00 to mount and balance tires on a Hummer rim with or without runflats. The runflat is the wildcard for many tire places.

 
How Strong is My H1?   hmmmm... my H1 is so strong that it took a man 10hrs to change the tires.  And 3hummers... you were right.  It didnt cost me $1200.  Nope... only cost me $1075.
 
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