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shortbus

11/30/2007 8:07:07 AM

Bob likes, canadian beer, so therefore can't be trusted to say anything that makes sense.

Doc Olds

11/30/2007 8:11:18 AM

Oh sh!t, I like Canadian Beer too.

shortbus

11/30/2007 8:16:35 AM

but you have senility to fall back on as an excuse . . . . . .

SpeedNut

12/1/2007 11:25:34 AM

Whatever works, seems like the runs you make are "oh shEEEEt" runs to the depot, hence the lowering for handling and an easier load height. I probably would have just bought a travel trailer of some sort instead. But that's what great about the U.S.

duckstu

1/11/2008 8:39:56 AM

There not really "Oh s___t" runs,...I have a business, and need go to Sams Club, Home Depot, etc on a regular basis. I HAVE to have something that can haul stuff.

Trailers are a poor option for me for 2 reasons. One being that you have to have a place to store the trailer,..and 2,..when I suddenly need to do an errand requiring a trailer, I can't just do the errand. Rather I first need to drive 1 hour round trip to my hoime to get the trailer. With a vehicle like this (or better yet a minivan),..I can just get in and go to the store.

Not to revive a dead thread for no reason,.but I finally got a good day (and remembered) to take a pic of what the car normally looks like at 2" rear drop (instead of the odd looking 3" rear drop).

It is down 2" in back from stock in this pic,..and probably 1/2" in front. It's hard to know because I didn't measure it stock in front.

importkiller

1/11/2008 8:56:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: duckstu

There not really "Oh s___t" runs,...I have a business, and need go to Sams Club, Home Depot, etc on a regular basis. I HAVE to have something that can haul stuff.

With a vehicle like this (or better yet a minivan),..I can just get in and go to the store.

we can go round and round about the whole lowering thing...but that part of your quote is what I have a problem with. Your trying to turn your h3 into a mini-van.....

duckstu

1/11/2008 10:32:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: importkiller
we can go round and round about the whole lowering thing...but that part of your quote is what I have a problem with. Your trying to turn your h3 into a mini-van.....

No, not trying to turn it into one,..it's just that occasionally I need some of the capabilities of a minivan. I suppose I could own a minivan too, and a pickup truck,..but I've been on a mission to reduce my car inventory to just 2.

Remember that funny Miller Lite commercial where the guy is watering his lawn and looking over to the neighbors driveway where a midsize SUV is parked? The anounce says "A real man knows a station-wagon when he sees one".

waynesoffroad

1/11/2008 10:38:15 AM

In either lowering your H3 or lifting it. It seems there is always someone on this board that going to trash talk it. When it comes down to it the H3 is not even that great of an offroad vehicle. For the desert I would use a I-beam Ford. For the rocks I would us a Wrangler. My H3 is lifted but I don't see anything wrong with someone lowering it either. It's all about what fits your needs.

importkiller

1/11/2008 11:36:03 AM

ummm...not trash talking here....and duck knows that. Disagreeing and discussing it and trash taking are two completely different things

shortbus

1/11/2008 11:41:58 AM

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ORIGINAL: importkiller

ummm...not trash talking here....and duck knows that. Disagreeing and discussing it and trash taking are two completely different things

trash taking? where you taking it?

duckstu

1/11/2008 11:57:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: waynesoffroad

In either lowering your H3 or lifting it. It seems there is always someone on this board that going to trash talk it. When it comes down to it the H3 is not even that great of an offroad vehicle. For the desert I would use a I-beam Ford. For the rocks I would us a Wrangler. My H3 is lifted but I don't see anything wrong with someone lowering it either. It's all about what fits your needs.

Thank You Wayne.

When I think of a Hummer,..I picture the H1, which is wide and low (so that it's stable). H1's don't have huge wheel well gaps. The other Hummers just don't seem right (to me) jacked way up in the air the way that short wheel base off-road pickup or a Jeep CJ's do.

For offroading,..the key would seem to be to get the axles out of the mud. Jacking the body up doesn't help that much. It will help in preventing high-centering on logs of whatever,..but the biggest issue is the axles (only on rear axle of the H3).

Bigger tires are all that helps that. I picture the ideal H3 as being lowered 1.5" in the rear and with 35" tires, ones like those Toyos with the tread that wraps around the sidewall. Then possibly paint the bottom edge of the rockers and doors flat black (maybe the bottom 6"_,...so as to make the vehicle look shorter in hieght and longer.

Like this amature MS Paint / Photoshop attempt.

importkiller

1/11/2008 12:04:37 PM

well....your call on lowering but for off roading your WAYYYY off...lowering it will KILL your departure and approach angles.

07HummerH3

1/11/2008 12:31:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: hilljob26

i think we all need to step back.....drink a beer......look at some boobs....and rethink the situation.hahaha........im gonna do it dang it

I've been dringing beer and walking backwards for hours

...where are the boobs?

alrock

1/11/2008 1:01:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: waynesoffroad

When it comes down to it the H3 is not even that great of an offroad vehicle.

Out of the box I think the H3 is one of the better offroad vehicles out there. Many vehicles can be modified to be good or great, but few have the Hummer capabilities from showroom to trail. You may disagree, just my opinion.

So, uh, Rod Hall winning the Baja 1000 in a mostly (running gear wise) stock H3 isn't that great? http://reviews.carreview.com/blog/hummer-h3-alpha-and-h3-first-stock-class-vehicles-to-finish-baja/

DETROIT – Team HUMMER once again demonstrated the inherent off-road capability of the HUMMER H3 as Rod, Josh and Chad Hall piloted their stock class H3 Alpha and H3 nearly 1,300 miles to become the first stock class vehicles to finish the 2007 SCORE International Baja 1000.
The 2007 Baja 1000 marked the 40th anniversary of the grueling off-road race and covered 1,296.39 miles from Ensenada in Baja California to Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, Baja California Sur. It ran from November 13-15, 2007.
Team HUMMER races in the SCORE International full and mini stock classes which feature production-based vehicles with stock frames, stock suspension designs and production-based engines. With 18 entries, the 2007 race boasted the most stock class vehicles in the history of the 1000 and included models from seven different automakers.

waynesoffroad

1/11/2008 1:13:41 PM

quote:

ORIGINAL: alrock

quote:

ORIGINAL: waynesoffroad

When it comes down to it the H3 is not even that great of an offroad vehicle.

Out of the box I think the H3 is one of the better offroad vehicles out there. Many vehicles can be modified to be good or great, but few have the Hummer capabilities from showroom to trail. You may disagree, just my opinion.

So, uh, Rod Hall winning the Baja 1000 in a mostly (running gear wise) stock H3 isn't that great? http://reviews.carreview.com/blog/hummer-h3-alpha-and-h3-first-stock-class-vehicles-to-finish-baja/

DETROIT – Team HUMMER once again demonstrated the inherent off-road capability of the HUMMER H3 as Rod, Josh and Chad Hall piloted their stock class H3 Alpha and H3 nearly 1,300 miles to become the first stock class vehicles to finish the 2007 SCORE International Baja 1000.
The 2007 Baja 1000 marked the 40th anniversary of the grueling off-road race and covered 1,296.39 miles from Ensenada in Baja California to Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, Baja California Sur. It ran from November 13-15, 2007.
Team HUMMER races in the SCORE International full and mini stock classes which feature production-based vehicles with stock frames, stock suspension designs and production-based engines. With 18 entries, the 2007 race boasted the most stock class vehicles in the history of the 1000 and included models from seven different automakers.

Come on! Thats all about the driver. The Hall family been racing for years and they use to drive Dodges. Those guys would win in Yugo!

duckstu

5/21/2008 10:02:56 AM

It's been a long time now and I'm not up on Impallas. I'm pretty sure it was a more recent one. Not the Caprice Classic one.

I seem to remember that we had a bit of a "go" as to who would get to the interchange first. I charged in first. And when I exited, he/she must have been about 1/2 way around it,...because it was quite some time before I saw the headlights.

But that was at -2 degrees front camber,....which I wouldn't even suggest for a hot street sports car, let alone a 1950's technology vehicle like the H3. When I got home I reduced it to -1.3 or so,....and would recommend to others about -.5 to -1

Right before the cloverleaf deal I had an alignment done,... and had given instructions to the service writer (at a Belle Tire that a friend worked at) as to what I wanted. The tech moron that did the work apparently couldn't read. He saw that the alignment was at factory spec and just pulled it back out. When I told him I wanted more camber and that's why I had brought it there (and showed him the writing his boss had written on the work order that he had in his hand),..he got uppity and told me that the tires would wear fine the way it was.

I responded with 2 things. One that tire wear wasn't the reason I was in for an alignment,..rather I wanted it to handle better and be safer on the road. And two,...that the tires don't wear well in stock form unless you only drive in a straight line. I showed him the rear tires and explained that they had been on the front untill the day before,..and because of cornering (which even Hummers must do occasionally, hence the steering wheel) the outer edges of the tires had feathered. And that adding a bit of neg camber would cause the tires to wear MORE evenly AND improve handling.

He left in a huff,...put the car back on the rack and cranked in 2.1 degrees of camber. (Just to be an ass I guess).

So I went home and did it correctly,...which is what I should have done in the first place I guess.